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De: algoporalgo  (Mensaje original) Enviado: 20/12/2011 04:56


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De: algoporalgo Enviado: 20/12/2011 07:11
General: a "historic" development with privatized oil, Paolo avanti!
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From: Matilda (original message) Envoy: 20/12/2011 15

13.12.2011 17:22:00

Techint profundiza su acercamiento al gobierno

De Vido exposed, while Paolo Rocca carefully

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The Minister of Federal Planning, Julio De Vido, stressed that the Argentina is "on the eve of a historical development", driven by the recent discovery of significant reserves of gas and oil in Neuquén, and emphasized that this new energy "should be competitive for industrial growth".

"To any value does not help us, helps us at a competitive value so that everyone in the country can grow and develop on the basis of those reservations, and not being only an asset in the balance sheet of the oil companies," said VIDO.

During a meeting in which shared panel with Paolo Rocca, head of the Techint Group, the planning Minister recalled that these discoveries in only a deposit of Neuquén represent the third reservoir of the world, "as he told the President (Barack) Obama Cristina in Cannes", during the last meeting of the G-20. De Vido remarked that, according to some analyses, these reservations "could be the second in the world, behind those in China", and cited assessments that mean "a horizon of more than 100 years, both gas and oil reserves".

"Recently the President of Repsol (Antonio Brufau) spoke nearly 28 billion dollars would be required to put in value these areas, if we take a value of $30 a barrel of crude,", recalled the Minister.

He added later, during the meeting of the programme of development of the value chain of Techint, a Buenos Aires hotel, attendance, that "we are working on the tables which ordered the President (Cristina Fernández de Kirchner) with the Chamber of the oil industry, to make progress in the enhancement of those resources".

De Vido said that you for the extraction of non-conventional oil and gas - which takes place in confined Sands-"required a very different from the traditional technology and important facilities of special equipment, many of which can be developed in the Argentina". For this reason, confided, "would have a huge development in technological matters and metalworking industries and steel".

The Minister stressed the "enormous possibility of generating a unique oil development", and compared the current time with "those historic discoveries of oil and the great development" in the 1960s. De Vido warned, however, that "our big challenge is that all these resources, and what we are talking with the table of oil, have a competitive value that allows the development of the economy". "We have in these two years that discuss the subject, that the President seeks energy cost appropriate to the needs of development of industries", concluded the Minister of planning.


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From: algoporalgo Envoy: 12 18, 2011 04: 50
Fidel failed, because after fifty years brother Raúl is giving the buttocks to the capitalism.USA is more Socialist that Cuba, the USA and any European country social services are better than the de Cuba, Cuba workers are enslaved, it is sad that those who write here, write so because they are biased, Sweden, where lived Santaneco s more Socialist than Cuba, Cuba is a haven used by tourists from Europe and the world, fresh meat for the tourists


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From: Anti-Trojan Envoy: 18/12/2011 05: 54
Algoporalgo, here is a Cuban who lives in Cuba called kukuza. United States (so called in Castilian) is not more socialist Cuba, than if you do not have money you not addressed in public hospitals and may even let you die. That is very well shown in the documentary Sicko is not Cuban but American, by Michael Moore. Even at the end of this documentary heroes of 9/11 Americans have to go to medical care in Cuba because they did not them important in their own country: the truth shall set us free.

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From: algoporalgo Envoy: 18/12/2011 09: 31
From: Anti-Trojan Envoy: 17/12/2011 21: 54
Algoporalgo, here is a Cuban who lives in Cuba called kukuza. that said it in the message 27 United States (well is called in Spanish) is not more Socialist than Cuba, all industrialized countries are more Socialist than Cuba beyond if you do not have money you not addressed in public hospitals and they can even let you die. there are health programmes and everyone will take care of youThat is very well shown in the documentary Sicko is not Cuban but American, by Michael Moore. Michael moore is an example of freedom of expression in USA Even at the end of this documentary heroes of 9/11 Americans have to go to medical care in Cuba because they did not them important in their own country: the truth we will free because the Cubans living in Cuba they need know the truth so that they can be free. Talk with Cubans in this forum;

These are Cubans, not as the Kukuza.

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From: ELSANTANECO Envoy: 12 18, 2011 12: 53

Very clear, anti-Trojan, only that Marx did not say when it would take time for socialist revolution. Yes said, as you said yourself, "the taking of power by the workers". But the case that in Russia the power was not in the hands of the workers, but the party was given. And Marx, did not say, that the Socialist phase would be completed, with the seizure of power by the party.

I also comes to believe that there were socialism, in the U.S.S.R. until thoroughly investigate the matter: on the one hand, Trotsky said: "Not an isolated socialism is possible". This is very true, no, and the history it has been amply demonstrated. On the other hand, partner of course talking about the different social classes occur at a rate of a social status granted by a share of power. Thus, the bourgeois has share of power that gives your money whose social status is reflected in his ability to "exploit" and to keep under its control to other classes without power due to the lack of wealth.

The senior leaders of the party in the U.S.S.R. became a new bourgeois class indeed. Therefore, it could not be socialism, while the most powerful members of the party hoard all the political and economic power in their environment. So, therefore, that there no socialism in the former U.S.S.R..

Anti-Trojan, are going to take, to better understand us, and do not fall in contradiction to the reader, a hypothesis: suppose what there was in the U.S.S.R. was socialism; his fall, therefore, could not be interpreted as the failure of socialism, but of a model of socialism. With which I believe that this can be a bit of agreement, no?.

About Maradona, you just say that I am a great admirer of LEO MESSI. And Maradona, you have a great respect and much sympathy, given that I see it as the best Latin American football icon.

But if we go back to socialism, I agree with you that socialism not failed, because it has never been in practice. I have said that you failure Leninism, not socialism. Leninism is not socialism, just a way of interpreting it, which is not the same as yourself can understand.

Finally, Margaret, said one thing that I really liked. I do not forget. Said, "when you are truly build socialism, there can be no regression, just as her has not been of capitalism to feudalism". No nation, therefore he has known until today's scientific socialism.


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From: ELSANTANECO Envoy: 12 18, 2011 13: 01

Resident: yours is not debate, but personal insults. We are here debating a subject, not my idea or yours. These just like the other tipejo, not to discuss with ideas is launched to personal insults.

In Sweden, if there are socialist things. Now what you are accepting, not. Why before what you negabas? Which means that socialism is a thousand times better than capitalism, not. The fish through the mouth is caught!

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Very clear, anti-Trojan, only that Marx did not say how much last time of socialist revolution. Yes said, as you said yourself, "the taking of power by the workers". But the case that in Russia the power was not in the hands of the workers, but the party was given. And Marx, did not say, that the Socialist phase would be completed, with the seizure of power by the party.

I also comes to believe that there were socialism, in the U.S.S.R. until thoroughly investigate the matter: on the one hand, Trotsky said: "Not an isolated socialism is possible". This is very true, no, and the history it has been amply demonstrated. On the other hand, partner of course talking about the different social classes occur at a rate of a social status granted by a share of power. Thus, the bourgeois has share of power that gives your money whose social status is reflected in his ability to "exploit" and to keep under its control to other classes without power due to the lack of wealth.

The senior leaders of the party in the U.S.S.R. became a new bourgeois class indeed. Therefore, it could not be socialism, while the most powerful members of the party hoard all the political and economic power in their environment. So, therefore, that there no socialism in the former U.S.S.R..

Anti-Trojan, are going to take, to better understand us, and do not fall in contradiction to the reader, a hypothesis: suppose what there was in the U.S.S.R. was socialism; his fall, therefore, could not be interpreted as the failure of socialism, but of a model of socialism. With which I believe that this can be a bit of agreement, no?.

About Maradona, you just say that I am a great admirer of LEO MESSI. And Maradona, you have a great respect and much sympathy, given that I see it as the best Latin American football icon.

But if we go back to socialism, I agree with you that socialism not failed, because it has never been in practice. I have said that you failure Leninism, not socialism. Leninism is not socialism, just a way of interpreting it, which is not the same as yourself can understand.

Finally, Margaret, said one thing that I really liked. I do not forget. Said, "when you are truly build socialism, there can be no regression, just as her has not been of capitalism to feudalism". No nation, therefore he has known until today the scientific socialism.


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From: ELSANTANECO Envoy: 12 18, 2011 13: 04
Resi, Azali required, is not Cuban, but gringa.
CUBA is blocked, and yet people live better than in the USA.

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From: algoporalgo Envoy: 19/12/2011 00: 50
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Is not my intention to insult you, insult you by stupid, the ideology has nothing to do, Ruben is red and also insults you.Say that the fish mouth dies and is not so, what happens is that by the stupid don't understand when I say that USA, Sweden and the other industrializazdos countries are more socialist Cuba, do not mean to be Socialists, I say this because rich countries have better than the Cuban social programs, have plenty of time to discuss with red and is class of varmints that are
From: ELSANTANECO Envoy: 18/12/2011 05: 04
Resi, Azali required, is not Cuban, but gringa.
CUBA is blocked, and yet people live better than in the USA. You see that you insult? You say every stupidity,
If Cuba better lived that in the USA not will they die trying to reach the reds to the USA, lack them a brain.

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De: algoporalgo Enviado: 21/12/2011 01:48
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From: elsantaneco (original message) Envoy: 2007-04-15 04: 08

A new dilemma.

In a country like ours very small with little deep mountains, it isn't easy to wage war. In the case itself in the area of West, more so because in this area there is no mountains but only coffee plantations. They are two points of interest in the which must focus on: the experience and safety of the troop. And in an area where you are in the rear of the enemy, safety measures and precautions because of is optimal.

Thus, were again discussing what to do with our hard problem of lack of water and poor hygiene. We take the decision to make us overlook the soldiers of the army. For those then the Organization (ERP) only had M16 and other rifles, , the army was equipped with the rifle, so it was very easy that people do not confuse with him. Our only problem were our girls, everyone knew that the army does not have women combatants, for which they delatarían us that we were not soldiers but guerrillas.

For this purpose we take the decision to go only men, analyse the appearance of the sacristan and then take necessary steps. We got a few military uniforms had requisitioned the battalion Tecana, and jumped the wall of the shrine.

It was to the 9 pm, the Moon "lay" a little sad. The family chatted happily, as if it were a candle. Candles or religious vigils was common in the Hermitage. They say that the majority of those people was a Catholic current known as the Carismáticos. They have a reputation in my country, even until today to be very reactionary, and are followers files of Opus Dei. 

We played the door of the kitchen, which was closed, wisely. The Lord of the House, the sacristan we went out to open. Wishing to told us! With eyes of confused. Are you soldiers? We wonder. Answer you Yes.

To hear my you one of the girls who was closer to the door I wonder. Dad with whom these talking about? They are the soldiers said. The girl was released. We knew that the reactionary girls in that area they much liked by soldiers. We have compiled comprehensive information of those people.

I was standing with my rifle in the back, to show respect for the family, and also very religious. And by security measure I looked under the sachet of the roof as that not me being well face. But the girl, is left and headed towards my and tells me do his vos seems known? Do not know why? Of truth answer you! Do in case you are not the chelito boy live that day in the Gorge? I went ass! The bitch, I thought, as we discovered this cipota. Yes I told him I am.

My student years gave me the fame of "conquistador" jajaj do not know if wrong, but the truth was friends of all the girls. And you ask him how is? Always charmingly beautiful, not! I told him, trying to hide. It was to smile a bit flirtatious. Nothing strange, was only a girl of 16 years. 

Told the father... "these are the guys you told us"? Well said Mr a little seriously you are not soldiers, but the boys. The boys popularly told him people of combatants of FMLN.

Well the Lord said I do not agree with communism, because they are atheists he said, but my daughter we speak very well of you and be grateful said. Explain the meaning of communism and the impossibility of building a Communist society but before passing by a series of revolutionary stages. I don't know if I understood but the truth is that leave it you amazed. I did not know that there were people very ready with you said!

It is that we actually had a bit of luck. One month prior, the soldiers together with a few civil defense (for military) had violated and cruelly killed a youth from the area. By which the economic situation was in our favour because familiar respect with which dealing unarmed people.

Well that Mr us gift kindly water, bathed the girls our already or they themselves, are met according to his own testimony, and all of us. We were a little close to that place to sleep that night.

The walls of the chapel we could help, but also betray. Not to save a post, but stayed with the concern that the enemy could jump by those walls, and our ability to withdrawal was not very favourable. Despite all the sleep and fatigue were stronger. We put some "silly House" mines at the foot of the wall where we stayed overnight and ready.

The next day, as a 7 in the morning did more exhausted local recognition. It was actually a very unsafe place. Our only advantage was that the wise enemy of our presence but not where we really were. At about 10 a.m. of the morning the girls were there where us. They were very kind full of confidence to us.

With one of her, which seemed interested in my "bones" hehe tries to do work of awareness-raising, job will I appear difficult, because she was always changing topic. Were there all day. And for the singles and no commitment was a very nice day. 

At 3 p.m., 3 p.m., I was better political formation was, I went to talk and to say goodbye to that Mr. Try to explain the reasons of our struggle, but his talk was more religious trails.

Look at told me, you speak very nice stop are atheists told me! And that I do not like. I note the definition believer. Look at answer you, I personally am not an atheist, and indeed for those then wasn't it. Told him that he had grown in the center of a family liberal but very religious. I was speaking of the Bible with him, more than old testament. We get the subject of Monsignor Romero, from large Rutilius etc. She is staying may not convinced but it is very thoughtful.

We were not of that place. It seemed to me personally a great task accomplished, in the political field. We make more social support demonstrate our struggle and more ensure the security of our fighters.   

It is possible that today in our country should be taken into account each and all the sacrifices of the FMLN guerrillas, but is due to the great sacrifice that the FMLN is now a legal party and many people, some opportunistic, has good public charges. I say this because the memory of the fallen especially is remembered with much public favour but with hypocrisy in the private. It is said in my country. The saying to the fact there is a long way. 

FIGHT TODAY SOCIALISM TOMORROW.

ELSANTANECO. MAN.



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From: Ruben1919 Envoy: 19/12/2011 20: 47
View the santa exguerrillero which according to his words was the apt ideologically of the guerrillas... on Roque Dalton-how long was the santaana in the guerrilla movement, that date to what date... If he had opportunity to converse of Marxism Leninism with Dalton... as you was in the conversation or discussion.-that opinion has the circumstances in which was killed the great patriot and revolutionary Roque Dalton?.-



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