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General: Christians go to war? (Mazaya)
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| From: Jabal (original message) |
Envoy: 06/04/2012 16: 46 |
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| From: mazaya (original message) |
Envoy: 03/04/2012 04: 43 |
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What happens if the country where lives each, recruiting people to defend their country in the event that any war would have?
What is the correct action of the Christian? | |
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| From: mazaya |
Envoy: 03/04/2012 18: 41 |
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Go to war, is self defense? | |
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| From: Jabal |
Envoy: 03/04/2012 23: 29 |
"As the creator not man reveals the mystery of the universe, all human wisdom is summed up in two words: trust and wait!" Alexandre Dumas (father)
Mazaya:
Without encouragement to contradict you, I believe that this should not be the question. That question you make, I her answer with a resounding Yes. Unfortunately, those who say called "Christians" to go to war to kill or be killed by other human beings made like them in the image and likeness of God. I think that the question must raise it in another way. May well have been: should Christians participate in wars? Then, would have replied you with a resounding no. According to my conviction the Christian should not use arms to kill or attack another, with exception to see his life or that of their relatives, friends or brothers in the faith in danger of death, we might rather call legitimate defence. But since you asked this question: if Christians go to war? He answered affirmatively. An example is that powerful, the nation Los United States American (u.s.a.) that even the majority of their Presidents themselves Protestant Christians (least John f. Kennedy, who was a Catholic) are those who have sent their armies to fight other Nations without their nation to have been attacked, with the exception of the 11-S, where innocent people were killed. We also have the Nations of the European continent, which mostly have allied to the U.S. to war with other Nations, say also called or be "Christians". Those Nations who have principles "Christians" walk as the aphorism says: God praying and deck giving.
You may object me with good reason, that those who go to war are their armies; but inside within all the components there are Christians of low and high military ranks. In addition, those who decide or determine if the armies go to war are Senators of these respective Nations, among them there are "Christians".
If my country is at war with my neighbouring country (I'm originally from an island shared by two Nations) under any circumstances I would participate. Can you tell me traitor to the fatherland, because I am not nor consider myself no patriot. I share the view of this big thinker and writer Spanish Miguel de Unamuno which says: "the home of a Christian is not of this world." "A Christian must sacrifice the homeland to the truth". (The agony of Christianity, PAG.) (24 Alianza Editorial, S.A.)
We have been cheated, because from small has instilled us an outdated patriotism to attack other Nations without reasons or causes, often up for a piece of land that is not ours, because God is the Earth and its fullness. (Psalms 24.1) I remember as a child, heard a message on a radio station that said: "How sweet and decent is to die for and for the fatherland which is to die to ourselves". After that it has rained much, and I've seen as nations live wars with each other and not out of that vicious circle. Why I identify fully, again with this writer quoted above, which it said: "men seeking peace in time of war;" "and the war in time of peace". (op. cit. page 37).
It is unfortunate to say so; but this system of things will continue and will not end until both Dios no implant his Kingdom and is fulfilled the prophecy of the Prophet Isaiah that says:
He will judge between the Nations
and it reprenderá to many peoples.
They become bars of plough their swords
and their Spears in sickles;
shall not lift up sword, nation against nation
nor will they train for war. (Isaiah 2.4)
Jabal
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| From: JCMx |
Envoy: 04/04/2012 00 |
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I agree with al Jabal brother.
Whether Christian or not will participate to the war not for God or Christ but by his country and his family, does not meet the legitimate defence, only the worldly homeland, that predicts the book of 4 Santiago. To be true soldier of Christ we must obey God rather than men and both defend the truth that protect their own land because we will be rewarded, just as it is written:
19 » Not accumulate treasures on Earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves get to steal for themselves.20 Rather, accumulate treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust eat, nor thieves get to steal for themselves.21 For where your treasure is, there also your heart will be.
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Because for me, living is Christ and the die is gain.
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| From: mazaya |
Envoy: 04/04/2012 03: 16 |
Jabal thanks for your reply.
You are right about the way in which I should have asked.
You already has explained it very well.
Like JCMx, share what you have written.
Kind regards | |
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El foro de antisectas en inglés
General: Miranda is God
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| From: GilbertoG (original message) |
Envoy: 05/04/2012 22: 05 |
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The dalai lama of course have some power over their Buddhist followers, i.e. are gods. However, pendejo, the father Dios is the Supreme God, the powerful Supreme. This is like the case of Moses. Look, brain of hazelnut, God said that Moses was God (powerful), but obviously Moses was not the Supreme God.
Then you are also God because you have power over twenty monkeys of your congregation.
And Jesucristo Miranda is also God.
JA ja ja ja ja ja ja ja ja ja ja ja ja and more ja ja ja ja ja ja ja
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Gilberto, I never said that the Miranda dog is God, that farce tipejo is a false God. That's God (powerful) what I have of paposo zampaostias.
Do you say that here they do not expel anyone?, because please be with what you say, I am one of the Assistant managers of this Holy Forum.
(The torment of the damned crypto and other apostates of faith)
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Gilberto, I never said that the Miranda dog is God, that farce tipejo is a false God. That's God (powerful) what I have of paposo zampaostias. For Miranda is powerful, what happens is that you do not understand anything, if Satan is God, because Miranda is one minor God, that is henotheism, ja ja ja ja
Do you say that here they do not expel anyone?, because please be with what you say, I am one of the Assistant managers of this Holy Forum. That copypaste is the thinker free uncensored Forum. | | |
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See if you can translate this:
DO СЛЫШ ФИЛЬТРУЙ БАЗАР НЕМНОГО, ЗА СЛОВА НАДО ОТВЕЧАТЬ.НА КАКОМ ОСНОВАНИИ ПИДАРОМ НАЗВАЛ ЕГО ТЫ, ТЫ ХУЙЛОБАН?, НАСТОЯЩИЙ ПИДОР ЕТО ТЫ ЕСЛИ ТЫ СЛОВА ТАК ПРОСТО ВЕТЕР КИДАЕШ, У НАС ЗА ТАКОЕ ОПУСКАЮТ НА | |
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Antisect Forum is also holy, ja ja ja ja ja
Gilberto, I never said that the Miranda dog is God, that farce tipejo is a false God. That's God (powerful) what I have of paposo zampaostias.
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