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Respuesta  Mensaje 1 de 71 en el tema 
De: ultimaedad  (Mensaje original) Enviado: 26/08/2014 02:36
¿porque dices que el shabat lunar es verdadero?

no papelotes, explicación sencilla, no voy a leer papelotes.


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Respuesta  Mensaje 42 de 71 en el tema 
De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 01/09/2014 14:31
OTRA CLAVE QUE EVIDENCIA QUE EL SABADO ES LUNAR LA TENES EN QUE EL SHABBAT ES EL CUARTO MANDAMIENTO CON REFERENCIA AL SEPTIMO DIA, QUE TAMBIEN ES UNA REFERENCIA A LOS 4 SHABBATS QUE TIENE CADA MES LUNAR EN EL CONTEXTO INCLUSO A LAS 4 ORIENTACIONES (ESTE, OESTE, NORTE Y SUR), MISMO PATRON DE LA UBICACION DE LAS 12 TRIBUS EN EL TABERNACULOS, TEMPLO DE SALOMON E INCLUSO EN LA NUEVA JERUSALEN. ES EL MISMO PATRON DE LA INDEPENDENCIA DE EEUU. TODA ESTA CLAVE, ES EN EL CONTEXTO A QUE LAS BODAS DE CANA FUERON EN UN SEPTIMO DIA.
 
CANA/CAN-A/CAN MAYOR/SIRIO/PERRO/LOBO/CHACAL
 
CUARTO MANDAMIENTO SEPTIMO DIA
 
4*7=28 DIAS LUNARES
 
NUMERO 47
NUMERO 47 (CUARTO MANDAMIENTO SEPTIMO DIA/G-D/D-G/47/74/IND.EEUU)

Respuesta  Mensaje 43 de 71 en el tema 
De: ultimaedad Enviado: 02/09/2014 03:57
bari pentecostes derriba el shabat lunar

Respuesta  Mensaje 44 de 71 en el tema 
De: Apolonio Enviado: 02/09/2014 04:00
Par de judios locos

Respuesta  Mensaje 45 de 71 en el tema 
De: ultimaedad Enviado: 02/09/2014 11:47
siete shabats consecutivos dan 49 días, DERRIBA COMPLETAMENTE EL SHABAT LUNAR, PUES 7 SHABATS LUNARES NO DAN 49 DÍAS.

Respuesta  Mensaje 46 de 71 en el tema 
De: ultimaedad Enviado: 03/09/2014 02:17
te lo dije bari, el shabat lunar es un invento.

Respuesta  Mensaje 47 de 71 en el tema 
De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 03/09/2014 02:33
¿ADONDE DICE LA BIBLIA QUE 7 SABADOS SEGUIDOS EQUIVALEN A 49 DIAS?
 

Respuesta  Mensaje 48 de 71 en el tema 
De: ultimaedad Enviado: 03/09/2014 02:37
fácil.
Lev 23:15  Y contaréis desde el día que sigue al día de reposo, desde el día en que ofrecisteis la gavilla de la ofrenda mecida; siete semanas cumplidas serán.
Lev 23:16  Hasta el día siguiente del séptimo día de reposo contaréis cincuenta días; entonces ofreceréis el nuevo grano a Jehová.


Respuesta  Mensaje 49 de 71 en el tema 
De: ultimaedad Enviado: 03/09/2014 02:39
Lev 25:8  Y contarás siete semanas de años, siete veces siete años, de modo que los días de las siete semanas de años vendrán a serte cuarenta y nueve años.


Respuesta  Mensaje 50 de 71 en el tema 
De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 03/09/2014 02:40

THE COUNT TO PENTECOST “PROVES” LUNAR SABBATHS

The only way the Hebrew speaking Jews and the Greek speaking Jews could have arrived at Pentecost on the same day is by Lunar Sabbaths. This is an absolute because the word Sabbath in Leviticus 23:11 is the Hebrew word for the weekly Sabbath and thousands of people have this knowledge including the Hebrew speaking Jews.

On the other hand, thousands of people including the Greek speaking Jews have the knowledge that the morrow after the Sabbath is referring to the 16th (Day after the 15th/weekly Sabbath) of the first month every year because in the Greek Septuagint it says, “on the morrow of the first day the Priest shall of wave it”, it is a FACT that the first day in the Septuagint is referring to the 15th or first day of unleavened bread, and the morrow after the 15th, (or 1st day), is the 16th.

We know from the book of Acts that they where Greek speaking Jews as well as Hebrew speaking Jews from every nation kindred and tongue, including Greek speaking Jews from Alexander Egypt, gathered for the day of Pentecost. Some read from the Septuagint and some read from the Hebrew text and both had to have known that the 15th was the weekly Sabbath because they were at Pentecost on the same day and started there count from the same day.

The point is this, when these Greek speaking Jews read the Septuagint and started their count for Pentecost on the morrow after the 15th every year and they arrived on the same day as the Hebrew speaking Jews that began the count on the morrow after the weekly Sabbath, this can only mean one thing and that is that the Hebrew speaking Jews and the Greek speaking Jews understood the 15th to be the weekly Shabbat and they started their count for Pentecost on the same day as the Greek speaking Jews that read from the Septuagint, i.e. from the morrow of the 1st day of unleavened bread. 

In other words, these thousands of people on both sides are right because the ones that believe the morrow after the 15th, which is the 16th, is right and the ones that believe the morrow after the weekly Sabbath, which is the 16th is right.

Later on their fathers had compromised the lunar week for the Roman week and the Pentecost debate began.


Both Josephus and Philo records that the count for Pentecost begins on the 16th which is the morrow after the Sabbath and the Septuagint was read and quoted from, same as the Hebrew text, and everyone was at Pentecost on the same day and there was no controversy among them concerning Pentecost until they adopted the false Roman week that is followed today.


The Universally Jewish Encyclopedia and another 100-year-old Jewish Encyclopedia by Funk & Wag, both records that ancient Israel originally kept lunar weeks and lunar Sabbaths.


Philo the Jew, which lived at the same time our Saviour did, records that the weeks were by the moon and also Clement of Alexander. Most people know that the month were originally by the moon but failed to realize that the 4 phases of the moon were used for the weeks.

At the end of a Roman week you have a Roman sabbath and at the end of a Lunar week you have a Lunar Sabbath.

Click Here for True Pentecost http://lunarsabbath.info/id4.html

Click Here and see that Philo and the Jews of our Saviour's day kept Pentecost 50 days AFTER the 7th Sabbath, which is in line with Lev-23, and "NOT" 50 days after the wave sheaf,

http://lunarsabbath.info/id16.html

For more information Click Here For The Truth

 

For more information you may call or write to:
Bro. Arnold Bowen
3466 Hightower Tr.
Conyers, Georgia 30012 USA
Or call (770) 483-8542
Email to: YHWHpeople@aol.com

 

 

 

Amos 8 Proves Pentecost in the 4th month

Amos 8:4-6

4Hear this, O ye that swallow up the needy, even to make the poor of the land to fail, 5Saying, When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the sabbath, that we may set forth wheat, making the ephah small, and the shekel great, and falsifying the balances by deceit? 6That we may buy the poor for silver, and the needy for a pair of shoes; yea, and sell the "refuse" of the wheat?


It is likely that the merchants would have said this around wheat harvest, when the "refuse"/chaff of the wheat was still handy and everyone was anticipating the new grain, not something that they would say every New month/moon.

 

The Hebrew word for “refuse” is

 

H4651

îÇôÌÈì

mappâl

map-pawl'

From H5307; a falling off, that is, chaff; also something pendulous, that is, a flap:—flake, refuse.

 

The only time I see that they could sale this chaff would be at the beginning of the wheat harvest when everyone was busy buying the fresh grain.

 

Another reasonthat Amos 8 fit quite well with lunar Sabbatarians doctrine of my persuasion is because the “very first day” that the new (Pentecost) wheat harvest can be set forth for sale is “always” after the last weekly Sabbath of the month/moon (on the 29th) which is “always” followed by a one or two day new moon feast and this is likely when this statement would be made by the wicked, “When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the sabbath, that we may set forth wheat,”  i.e. the earliest anyone could sale wheat would be after the new moon day.

The crooked merchants could hardly wait for the Sabbath and new moon day to be over so they could cheat the people in selling them grain from this new fresh wheat, which was mixed with the refuse (chaff). The chaff should be separated from the wheat but the chaff could be mixed in with the wheat around Pentecost and sold "after" the Sabbath and new moon had passed but not before. i.e. you have Pentecost then Sabbath then new moon and then they could set the wheat out for sale but no one would sale or buy it until after the new moon and Sabbath was gone.

The reason I believe that the vision that Amos 8 is talking about is one the three festival/chag each year, which is always celebrated at one of the three harvests, Passover, Pentecost, or tabernacles, is because,

#1. Singing in the temple is mentioned in verse 3, and singing on the Chag/feast is a Law of YHWH.

 

 Psalm 81

 

1    Sing aloud unto Elohim our strength: make a joyful noise unto the Elohim of Jacob.

2    Take a psalm, and bring hither the timbrel, the pleasant harp with the psaltery.

3    Blow up the trumpet in the new moon/month, in the time appointed/full moon, on our solemn “feast” day/Chag.

  • For this was a statute for Israel, and a “law” of the Elohim of Jacob.

 

So we see here that singing on the Chag/feast is a Law of YHWH and this is what they were doing in Amos 8:1


Respuesta  Mensaje 51 de 71 en el tema 
De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 03/09/2014 02:42

#2 Amos was shown a basket of summer fruit in verse 1 & 2 and in Deuteronomy YHWH commanded that the firstfruits of the harvests was to be brought in a basket, on these feasts/Chags which always commemorates something.

 

 

 

 Deut-26:1-11

 

 

1And it shall be, when thou art come in unto the land which YHWH thy Elohim giveth thee for an inheritance, and possessest it, and dwellest therein; 2That thou shalt take of the first of all the fruit of the earth, which thou shalt bring of thy land that YHWH thy Elohim giveth thee, and shalt put it in a basket, and shalt go unto the place which YHWH thy Elohim shall choose to place his name there. 3And thou shalt go unto the priest that shall be in those days, and say unto him, I profess this day unto YHWH thy Elohim, that I am come unto the country which YHWH sware unto our fathers for to give us. 4And the priest shall take the basket out of thine hand, and set it down before the altar of YHWH thy Elohim. 5And thou shalt speak and say before YHWH thy Elohim, A Syrian ready to perish was my father, and he went down into Egypt, and sojourned there with a few, and became there a nation, great, mighty, and populous: 6And the Egyptians evil entreated us, and afflicted us, and laid upon us hard bondage: 7And when we cried unto YHWH Elohim of our fathers, YHWH heard our voice, and looked on our affliction, and our labour, and our oppression: 8And YHWHbrought us forth out of Egypt with a mighty hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with great terribleness, and with signs, and with wonders: 9And he hath brought us into this place, and hath given us this land, even a land that floweth with milk and honey. 10And now, behold, I have brought the firstfruits of the land, which thou, O YHWH, hast given me. And thou shalt set it before YHWH thy Elohim, and worship before YHWH thy Elohim: 11And thou shalt rejoice in every good thing which YHWH thy Elohim hath given unto thee, and unto thine house, thou, and the Levite, and the stranger that is among you.

 

 

The above is on a Chag and so far we have seen the commanded singing that takes place on the Chag and the basket of the summer firstfruits that is commanded to be brought on the Chag but is the word for feast/Chag mentioned in Amos 8 which would conclusively prove that Amos 8 has to do with a Pilgrim festival/Chag? Yes it is mentioned in verse 10.

 

 

10And I will turn your feasts (Chag) into mourning, and all your songs into lamentation; and I will bring up sackcloth upon all loins, and baldness upon every head; and I will make it as the mourning of an only son, and the end thereof as a bitter day.

 

 

The commanded feast/Chag is going to be changed from a day of singing and rejoicing to a day of mourning for the wicked that is spoken of in verse 4 which are concerned more with the feast and new moon being over so they can sale the grain and cheat the poor, than keeping the commandments of YHWH.

 

I believe that Amos 8 is a vision of the end time when our Saviour comes (on the day of Pentecost) to gather His wheat into the barn and destroy the wicked and we are told that day should not take us unawares and most people do not even know when the true Pentecost is.  There are many Scriptures that prove He is coming again on Pentecost as He did on Mount Sinai when He came with 10 thousands of his saints and gave the Law to Moses, written in stone, (3000 souls destroyed) and as He came on the day of Pentecost in the book of Acts and put His laws in their heart by the Holy Spirit (3000 souls saved).  I have many Scriptures to support a Pentecost second coming but that is not the intent here.

 

 

If Amos 8 had to do with a feast/Chag, and I believe it does, it has to be the feast of Pentecost/Chag because the New Moon is mentioned which does not fit with the feast of Passover, Tabernacles, or the traditional count of 50 days from wave sheaf which is around 6 days after the New Moon of the 3rd month is over. 

 

The reason the Amos 8 feast does not fit with the Passover Chag when the new barley crop is ready on the morrow after the Sabbath that the Priest waves the wave sheaf is because the new moon is still approximately 15 days away and there would be no need to say when will the new moon be gone that we may sale barley.  Notice the grain in Amos 8 was talking about wheat and summer wheat at that.  The barley and Winter wheat are spring crops.  The same will be the true for the Chag/Feast of Tabernacles which is also on the 15th and is not near a new moon day.  And as I said above, the traditional Pentecost is after the new moon of the third month and there would be no need for such a statement as “when will the new moon be gone.”

 

Philo also called the Pentecost wheat summer fruit and when I was growing up we had bushel baskets, peck basket etc. to put the fruit of corn, peas, etc. in.

 

 

The bottom line is if Amos 8 has to do with a feast/Chag, it conclusively proves a fourth month Pentecost because that is the only way it can be because of the new moon.

 

 

 

Tracing the count to Pentecost from the wave sheaf in the first month to the day that Aaron proclaimed was a feast/Chag to YHWH in the fourth month instead of the traditional third month Pentecost.

If we can successfully trace the count from the wave sheaf to a day that Aaron proclaimed was a Chag, (Hebrew word for one the three  major feasts of YHWH), it conclusively proves that Leviticus 23:15-16 should be interpreted or understood that there are "TWO" counts involved in counting to Pentecost, one for the seven Sabbath complete and the other for the 50 days AFTER the seventh Sabbath. The instructions were to count seven sabbaths and number 50 days.

 (Leviticus 23:15-16)

15And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: 16Even unto the morrow "after" the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.

The  following chart shows that if you count seven lunar sabbaths complete (which do not include New Moon days when counting out the weeks) unto the morrow "after" the seventh Sabbath and then number 50 days, it will be the exact same day that Aaron, YHWH high priest, proclaims a Chag to YHWH.

Remember  Chag is a very specific Hebrew word which is only used to refer to one the three major feasts of YHWH and is NEVER used any other way. It was in the fourth month that Aaron proclaimed it which rules out Unleavened Bread and Tabernacles, leaving only "Pentecost" which was AFTER  50 days were numbered AFTER the 7th Lunar Sabbath complete as Lev-23:16 calls for.

 

 

"1st Month"

 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8th/Sabbath 9 10 11 12 13 14th the Lamb slain between the evenings

 15th Sabbath and 1st day of feast of Unleavened Bread and day Houses Passed over in Egypt and thrust out of Rameses Num-33:3

16th is wave sheaf and "beginning" of count for the "7 sabaths" complete.

17 18 19 20 21 22nd "1st Sabbath" 23 24 25 26 27 28 29th"2nd Sabbath".

30

"2nd Month "

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8th "3rd  Sabbath" 9 10 11 12 13 14 15th "4th Sabbath"

16th - 1st day of manna (Ex-16:1-29) 17 18 19 20 21 22nd "5th Sabbath" 23 24 25

26 27 28 29th "6th Sabbath"

 

 " 3rd Month"

 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8th "7th Sabbath"complete and the "9th" day is the "first day" "AFTER" 7th Sabbath and the 1st day of the SECOND count where you are to NUMBER 50 days and then bring a new meat offering to YHWH.  Lev-23:15-16

10th is 2nd day after 11/3rd 12/4th 13/5th 14/6th 15 is Sabbath and 7th day of the count

16/8th day of the count to Pentecost and day they came to the Mount (Ex-19:1-3) see alsoThe Book Of Jubilees Ch. 1:1 they were also told on 16th to be ready for 3rd day Ex-19:11

17/9th day of count 18/10th day of count and it was also the 3rd day when YHWH spoke to people (Ex-19:10-24)

19/11th day of count and also 1st day that Moses goes Into Mt. for 40 days and 40 nights. Ex-24:4-18

 20/12th day of count and 2nd day Moses in mt. 21/13th  22/Sabbath and 14th day of count to Pentecost 23/15th  24/16th

25/17th  26/18th  27/19th  28/20th  29th/Sabbath and 21st day of the count to Pentecost and a 30 day month would make it the 22nd day of the count to Pentecost.

 

"4th Month"

 


Respuesta  Mensaje 52 de 71 en el tema 
De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 03/09/2014 02:43

1/23rd day of count 2/24th  3/25th  4/26th  5/27th  6/28th  7/29th  8th/30th and Sabbath

9/31st day of count 10th 32ndday of count 11/33rd   12/34th  13/345th  14/36th  15th Sabbath and 37th day of count to Pentecost

16/38th  17/39th  18/40th  19/41st day of count 20/42nd  21/43rd  22/44th  23/45th

24/46th  25/47th  26/48th  27/49th  28th/50th "DAY" is numbered and then the New Meat offering is brought on  the 29th Sabbath. The beginning of the 29th was the 40th NIGHT of Moses's stay in the Mount and the 29th morning is the day that the Law and tables of stone was ACTUALLY given to Moses Ex-31:18 and Deut- 9:11 as YHWH promased inEx-24:12   which was "AFTER" the 50th day was numbered. It was the day the Law was given, and the only way to Commemorate this Monumental event on the same day is to follow the instruction that was given by YHWH, not man.

 Brother Arnold

 

 

 

I can show where the "ancient Celtic" people observed the "firstfruits" of the "wheat harvest" in the "summertime" around the last day of "July" or the first day of August which is in harmony with counting the 50 days "after" the seventh Sabbath complete instead of 50 days from the wave sheaf or after the first Sabbath.

The following was gleaned from web sites under "Lammus" which means "loaf mass" although paganism has crept in as it has in all the feast of YHWH, we can still get an idea of how things were done if we know the scriptures.

LUGHNASADH
Kathleen Dupree

The "grain is ripe for harvest". Apple trees and gardens bear forth the fruits of "summer." This is the time of "Lughnasadh," the ancient Celtic festival held in celebration of the "first fruits" of the harvest.
The modern Irish spelling, Lúnasa, is the name of the month of "August' in Irish Gaelic. Lughnasadh, an older spelling, is often used to designate the name of the seasonal festival that surrounds the "first" day of the month of August. In Scots Gaelic the day is known as Lunasda or Lunasdal. This is the time that marks a rest from labor, a time to take stock of what the "summer sun" has yielded. It is a time to celebrate and enjoy the outcome of our daily toil.
At this gathering were held games and contests of skill as well as a great feast made up of the first fruits of the summer harvest.

http://www.leyline.org/cra/articles/lughnasadh.html


In the Celtic nations of Europe traditions surrounding Lughnasadh still continue from pre-Christian times. Most often, celebration of the holiday occurs on the first Sunday of August or the Sunday just before the first day of August. In modern Ireland the tradition still continues that on the last Sunday of "July" families ascend into the hills of the countryside to pick bilberries. The bilberries are symbolic of the bounty of Mother Earth at this time of year and of the fruits harvested in that ancient time when Tailltiu made a place for the grain that would feed the generations to come after her. With the coming of Christianity to the Celtic lands, the old festival of Lughnasadh took on Christian symbolism. Loaves of bread were baked from the first of the harvested grain and placed on the church altar on the first Sunday of August. The Christianized name for the feast of Lughnasadh is Lammas which means "loaf mass". And, of course, there are the fairs which are still held all across Europe and America.


Lughnasadh (Old Irish pronounced IPA: [lu¢°nəsə>) is a Gaelic holiday celebrated on the first of August, or at the time of the ripening of the local berry crop, or on the full moon nearest the midpoint between the summer solstice and autumnal equinox.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lughnasadh


Ancient celebration
Lughnasadh was one of the four main festivals of the medieval Irish calendar: Imbolc at the beginning of February, Beltane on the first of May, Lughnasadh in August and Samhain in October. The early Celtic calendar was based on the lunar, solar, and vegetative cycles, so the actual calendar date was variable. Lughnasadh marked the beginning of the harvest season, the ripening of "first fruits," and was traditionally a time of community gatherings, market festivals, horse races and reunions with distant family and friends. Among the Irish it was a favored time for handfastings - trial marriages that would generally last a year and a day, with the option of ending the contract before the new year, or later formalizing it as a more permanent marriage.[1>[2>[3>

One historical example of handfastings as trial marriages is that of "Telltown marriages" - named for the year and a day trial marriages contracted at the yearly festival held in Telltown, Ireland. The festival took place every year at Lughnasadh (August 1), and the trial marriage would last until the next Lughnasadh festival. At that time, they were free to leave the union if they desired.

August 1 is the 213th day of the year in the Gregorian calendar (214th in leap years), with 152 days remaining.


Lughnasadh 2006
Lughnasadh (pronounced lune-ah-sah) was "a summer festival of the ancient Celts," celebrated around August 1. My understanding is that it is known that it was celebrated at either the full moon or the new moon closest to the midpoint between the summer solstice and the autumnal equinox. Since the midpoint is on August 6th, that means that this year, Lughnasadh falls on either July 25 (the new moon).


Colors: Gray, green, gold, yellow
Symbols: All grains, breads, threshing tools, athame
Date: Occurs 1/4 of a year after Beltaine. True astrological point is 15 degrees Leo, but tradition has set August 1st as the day it is typically celebrated. Since the Ancients Celts passed their days from sundown to sundown, the celebration would usually begin the night before on July 31st.

http://thunder.prohosting.com/~cbarstow/lammas.html

This "sabbat" is also known as the celebration of bread. As bread was one of the main staples of our ancestors, the ripening of the grain was the cause for great celebration. The reaping, threshing and preparation of these breads spawned great ritual and ceremony to ensure bounty for the following year.

This time of the year finds us with fields to harvest, the first of a bountiful crop that will hold us through the winter months. Even though the hottest days of summer are upon us, we have but to observe to see that fall is just around the corner. Shadows are growing longer as the days slowly become shorter. Squirrels are busily gathering food for the coming winter. It is a time to begin canning produce from the garden, a time to save and preserve.

Some ideas for celebration include:
• Sacrifice bad habits and unwanted things from your life by throwing symbols of them into the sabbat fire.
• Bake a loaf of bread in the shape of a man and sacrifice him in your ritual. Make him a part of your feast but save a piece to offer the gods.
• Take time to actually harvest fruits from your garden with your family. If you don’t have a garden, visit one of the pick-your-own farms in your area.
• Include bilberries or blueberries in your feast; these were a traditional fruit, whose abundance was seen as an indicator of the harvest to come.
• Gather the tools of your trade and bless them in order to bring a richer harvest next year.
• Share your harvest with others who are less fortunate.
• Decorate with sickles, scythes, fresh vegetables & fruits, grains, berries, corn dollies, bread. Colors are orange, gold, yellow, red and bronze.


January - Wolf Moon
February - Storm Moon
March - Chaste Moon
April - Seed Moon
May - Hare Moon
June - Dyad Moon July - Mead Moon
"August – “Corn Moon”
September - Harvest Moon
October - Blood Moon
November - Snow Moon
December - Cold Moon

Bilberries are rarely cultivated but fruits are sometimes collected from wild plants growing on publicly accessible lands, notably in Fennoscandia, Scotland, Ireland and Poland. Notice that in Fennoscandia, it is an everyman's right to collect bilberries, irrespective of land ownership. In Ireland the fruit is known as fraughan in English, from the Irish fraochán, and is traditionally gathered on the last Sunday in July, known as Fraughan Sunday.

Bilberries were also collected at Lughnassadh, the first traditional harvest festival of the year, as celebrated by the Gaelic people. The crop of billberries was said to indicate how well the rest of the crops would fare in their harvests later in the year.


In English-speaking countries, August 1 is Lammas Day or loaf-mass day, the festival of the first wheat harvest of the year. On this day it was customary to bring to church a loaf made from the new crop. In many parts of England, tenants were bound to present freshly harvested wheat to their landlords on or before the first day of August. In the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, where it is referred to regularly, it is called "the feast of first fruits". The blessing of new fruits was performed annually in both the Eastern and Western Churches on the first, or the sixth, of August. The Sacramentary of Pope Gregory I (d. 604) specifies the sixth.

In "mediæval times" the feast was known as the "Gule of August", but the meaning of "gule" is unknown. Ronald Hutton suggests that it may be an Anglicisation of gwyl aust, the Welsh name for August 1 meaning "feast of August", but this is not certain. If so, this points to a pre-Christian origin for Lammas among the Anglo-Saxons and a link to the Gaelic festival of Lughnasadh


The Old Ways: Lammas
by Doug and Sandy Kopf

Lammas, the festival of the First Fruits of the Harvest, is the first festival of the Waning Year. It is celebrated on July 31, while the climate (in the United States) is essentially still Summer.

Lammas takes its name from the Old English "hlaf," meaning "loaf" and "maesse," meaning “feast”. Lammas has often been taken to mean Lamb-mass, because on August 1, the next day, is the Feast of St. Peter's Chains, at which lambs are taken to church for blessing. (Can't you just picture a priest of the early Church saying, "Lammas? We can do that HERE! Just tell them to bring their lambs to Church!)

This festival is also called "Lugnasadh" (Loo-nah-sah), which has an entirely different meaning. The element "nasadh" relates to the Gaelic, "to give in marriage," and so would mean the "Marriage of Lug," rather than Lugh's Mass, which is a common interpretation. There is also some debate as to who the bride is, if there is one. Some authorities favor Tailltiu (Lugh's foster mother) and others favor Eriu, i.e., Ireland, herself.

Although we do not celebrate a marriage at this time, preferring the loaf-feast concept, it is interesting to note that July 31 is exactly nine months prior to Beltane, which was once celebrated as the beginning of the New Year.

Until recent years, in Scotland, the first cut of the Harvest was made on Lammas Day, and was a ritual in itself. The entire family must dress in their finest clothing and go into the fields. The head of the family would lay his bonnet (hat) on the ground and, facing the Sun, cut the first handful of corn with a sickle. He would then put the corn Sun-wise around his head three times while thanking the God of the Harvest for "corn and bread, food and flocks, wool and clothing, health and strength, and peace and plenty." This custom was called the "Iolach Buana."

In the British Isles, the custom of giving the First Fruits to the Gods evolved into giving them to the landlord. Lammas is now the traditional time for tenant farmers to pay their rent. Thus, Lammas is seen as a day of judgment or reckoning. From this practice comes the phrase "--at latter Lammas", meaning "never", or "not until Judgment Day."

An old custom that can be re-created today is the construction of the Kern-baby or corn maiden at Lammas. This figure, originally made from the first sheaf, would be saved until spring, "then" ploughed into the field to prepare for planting. (The Maiden thus returns to the field at Spring.) Most of us, today, have no first sheaf nor shall we prepare a field at Spring, but as a means of adding continuity to our festivals, the maiden can be made from the husks of corn served at the Lammas Feast, then saved for use as a brideo'g at Candlemas.


"We have come together here on this August Eve, to celebrate Lammas, the First Harvest, and the first day of the harvesting season. In these more modern times it may be hard for some of us to relate to the old ways of farming, planting and harvesting crops. Of deciding what seeds to keep for future planting. The work of the harvest, the chopping away and turning under of the chafe. Even though most of us no longer farm, Lammas is still a time when we should stop and consider what has happened in the past seasons of our lives and what we expect to take place in the seasons to come. This is a time to be aware of the things we have for which we are grateful and decide what things we need to let go of and let pass away from us."

"Lammas was the medieval Christian name for the Celtic holiday of Lughnasadh. Lammas literally translates 'loaf-mass' and is the Feast of Bread in August. Lammas is a time of appreciation for nature, for Mother Earth and her gifts. In ancient times on this day loaves were baked from the first grain harvest and laid on the church altars as offerings. At this time the best of the first fruits of the harvest were sacrificed in order to ensure that future crops would be even better and more bountiful. Our Ancestors understood that we must first give in order to receive."

Even the Oak trees observe first fruits in the 4th month.

 In August at the height of the summer when most other trees are wilting from the heat, the oak produces a new leaf called “Lammas shoots” thus adding new colour and freshness to the tree. These new leafy shoots are golden-pink when young, turning from pale to dark green as they harden. In autumn the oak tree is at its most majestic as its leaves change colour again turning from dark green to various shades of yellow, orange, russet and a pale golden brown. The leaves sometime stay on the tree until the following spring or until the new buds forming for the next year push them off.
http://www.controverscial.com/Oak.htm


I could comment on these and might later but the evidence clearly shows a later Pentecost was observed by ancient Israel.

See True Pentecost at http://lunarsabbath.info/id4.html

 

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De: ultimaedad Enviado: 03/09/2014 02:45
no tanta palabrería, explica sintetizado, si es que puedes, ya que todo esto me suena a justificaciones.

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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 03/09/2014 02:52

Los 50 días hasta Shavuot

 

La Torá dice:

 

Contaras para ti siete semanas; desde cuando empiezan a segar la mies con la hoz, principiaras a contar siete semanas, y harán la Celebración de Shavuot (Semanas)”. (Dvarim /Deut. 16.9-10)

 

Y contaréis para ustedes desde el día posterior al Shabat, desde el día que presentaron la gavilla de ofrenda mecida, siete Shabatot completos serán. Hasta el día siguiente del sétimo Shabat contaréis el día cincuenta y presentaréis ofrenda vegetal  nueva al Eterno”. (Vaiqrá /Lev. 23.15)

 

         Hay quien pone como pretexto que debido al conteo de siete semanas o lo que es igual, siete Shabatot, más un día que es el 50, significa que es imposible que exista una semana lunar que deje fuera los días de Luna Nueva. Dicho pretexto no tiene sentido alguno cuando se entiende que los días de Rosh Jodesh (Luna Nueva) no son contados con las semanas, como está escrito en Iejezqel (Ezequiel) 46.1-3 “Así dice Adonai el Eterno: La puerta del atrio interior que mira al oriente estará cerrada los 6 días de trabajo; pero se abrirá el día de Shabat y el día de Luna Nueva… El pueblo de la tierra adorará a la entrada de esa puerta delante del Eterno los días de Shabat y en Lunas Nuevas”.

 

De manera que en efecto la Torá no dijo ‘cuenten 50 días’, sino cuenten 7 semanas o 7 Shabatot, y al día siguiente del 7mo Shabat, el 50 es Shavuot, en nada contradice al Shabat lunar.  


Respuesta  Mensaje 55 de 71 en el tema 
De: ultimaedad Enviado: 03/09/2014 02:54
esta bien claro, no hay vuelta de hoja, no importa en lo mas minimo cuando comienza el conteo, ya que dice claramente que son 49 dias en lev 25:8


mi punto es que son 49 días, no cuando comienza dicho conteo.

en tu shabat lunar no dan las cuentas.

estas contra la pared bari, que digo la pared, estas contra la lona.

Respuesta  Mensaje 56 de 71 en el tema 
De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 03/09/2014 02:56
AMIGO, SI NO QUERES PROFUNDIZAR, SEGUI CON EL SABADO DE SATURNO. YO LO QUE TE DIGO ES TOTALMENTE FALSO.
 
MI PREGUNTA SIGUE:
 
¿PARA QUE MIERDA CREO EL TODOPODEROSO LA LUNA CON SUS FASES CADA 7 DIAS?


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