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WHY DID THE ALLIES FIND IT HARD TO AGREE ABOUT A SECOND FRONT IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR?

SOURCE 6

LETTER FROM KING GEORGE VI TO WINSTON CHURCHILL, DATED 2 JUNE 1944

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➜ CHAR 20/136/4

SIMPLIFIED TRANSCRIPT

Dear Winston

I want to ask you one more time not to go to sea on D-Day. I understand why you want to and I want to go myself. But I realise that I can’t. And it’s not fair that you should go if I’m prevented from going.

Another issue is that it’ll be impossible to contact you and we may need you to make an important decision. Also, if you’re on a ship then the commander of that ship will be restricted in what he can do because he’ll be responsible for your safety.

If you went, you’d cause me and your fellow ministers a lot of anxiety.

Your friend
King George

ORIGINAL TRANSCRIPT

Buckingham Palace
GR- Royal crest/stamp June 2nd 1944

My Dear Winston,

I want to make one more appeal to you not to go to sea on D day. Please consider my own position. I am a younger man than you, I am a sailor, & as king I am the head of all three services. There is nothing I would like better than to go to sea but I have agreed to stay at home; is it fair that you should then do exactly what I should have liked to do myself?

You said yesterday afternoon that it would be a fine thing for the King to lead his troops into battle, as in old days; if the King cannot do this, it does not seem to me right that his Prime Minister should take his place.

Then there is your own position. You will see very little, you will seem a considerable risk, you will be inaccessible at a critical time when vital decisions might have to be taken, & however unobtrusive you may be, your very presence on board is bound to be a very heavy additional responsibility to the Admiral & Captain.

As I said in my previous letter, your being there would add immeasurably to my anxieties, & your going without consulting your colleagues in the Cabinet would put them in a very difficult position which they would justifiably resent.

I ask you most earnestly to consider the whole question again, & not let your personal wishes which I very well understand lead you to depart from your own high standard of duty to the State.

Believe me,

Your very sincere friend,

George R. I. (signed by hand)

WHAT IS THIS SOURCE?

A hand-written personal letter from King George VI to Winston Churchill.

BACKGROUND TO THIS SOURCE

This letter is just four days before D-day and follows on from previous discussions and correspondence between Churchill and the King regarding what each should be doing on D-Day.

Churchill was a highly capable war leader. Churchill had also been a soldier in his youth and he’d participated in active and dangerous fighting. He thrived on being in the thick of the action, taking risks, and attached little importance to his personal safety.

HOW CAN WE USE THIS SOURCE IN THE INVESTIGATION?

Remember, we’re hoping that this source can be useful to us in investigating why Winston Churchill was so worried about the Second Front. Sources usually help historians in two ways:

SURFACE LEVEL

  1. What does Churchill want to do on D-Day?
  2. What does the King want to do on D-Day?
  3. Why does the King think Churchill shouldn’t go to sea on D-Day?
  4. What arguments does the King use to try to persuade Churchill not to go to sea?

DEEPER LEVEL

Which of the inferences below can be made from this source?

 


On a scale of 1-5 how far do you agree that this source supports this inference? Which extract(s) from the source support your argument?
Churchill fully supports D-Day.

Churchill wants the glory of being involved in D-Day.

Churchill was an irresponsible Prime Minister.

The King would be jealous if Churchill went and the king couldn’t.

Churchill didn’t consider or care what his Cabinet colleagues thought about him.

The fact that Churchill didn’t go to sea on D-Day shows that the King had lots of influence over Churchill.

 

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NEED HELP INTERPRETING THE SOURCE?

  • The Prime Minister meets with the monarch at least once a week to discuss issues of state.
  • The King and Prime Minister wrote to each other frequently. Nevertheless, by writing such a long letter by hand (just imagine how long it would have taken the King to write this letter), the King is showing Churchill a) how much he respects him and b) how seriously he would like Churchill to take his argumentsIs the tone of this source friendly? Threatening? Cajoling?
  • What arguments might be effective in persuading Churchill?
  • Why might Churchill [and the King] want to be present at D Day?
  • What does this source tell us about Churchill’s attitude to D Day?
  • What does this source reveal about Churchill as a politician and as a person?

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V For Victory – the sign which Churchill appropriated from the Belgians

victor de laveleyeWe have all seen photos of Winston Churchill giving his famous ‘V for Victory’ sign during the Second World War, but we actually have Belgian tennis star Victor de Laveleye to thank for this iconic sign. de Laveleye competed in the 1920 and 1924 Olympic Games for Belgium, but he was also a politician who served as Minister of Justice in 1937. As the Germans pushed west in 1940 de Laveleye fled to Britain where he was put in charge of the BBC’s broadcasts to occupied Belgium and soon became the symbol of free Belgians everywhere. On 14th January 1941 Laveleye asked all Belgians to use the letter ‘V’ as a symbol of resistance and a rallying cry to fight the invaders because, he said, ‘V is the first letter of Victoire (victory) in French and Vrijheid (freedom) in Flemish, like the Walloons and the Flemish who today walk hand in hand, two things that are consequences of each other, Victory will give you Freedom’. He went on to say that “the occupier, by seeing this sign, always the same, infinitely repeated, [will] understand that he is surrounded, encircled by an immense crowd of citizens eagerly awaiting his first moment of weakness, watching for his first failure.” The Belgian people willingly adopted the sign and the letter immediately began to appear daubed on walls in Belgium, the Netherlands, Northern France, and other parts of Europe, a symbolic act of defiance against the Nazis.

håkon_7._malt_i_veienResistance graffiti on a road in Norway the V sign cradeling the initials of King Haakon VII

churchill v signWinston Churchill realised how successful this symbol was in uniting people against Hitler’s regime and decided to use it during a speech in July 1941 when he said that ‘The V sign is the symbol of the unconquerable will of the occupied territories and a portent of the fate awaiting Nazi tyranny. So long as the people continue to refuse all collaboration with the invader it is sure that his cause will perish and that Europe will be liberated.” Churchill continued to use the sign as his ‘signature gesture’ for the remainder of the war.

Soon after Churchill’s broadcast Douglas Ritchie at the BBC noticed that the Morse code for V was three dots and a dash ( …_ ) which was the same as the rhythm for the opening of Beethoven’s Fifth Symphony, and the BBC used it in its foreign language programmes directed at occupied Europe for the rest of the war. It was not long before the rhythm was used as a symbol of defiance in Europe, one which people could tap out almost anywhere.

In Germany Goebbels, the Nazi Propaganda Minister, was infuriated by the ‘V campaign’, but there was nothing he could do to stop it. He tried to argue that because ‘V’ was the first letter of the German word ‘viktoria’ and the musical representation was from a symphony written by a German composer then it was really a symbol in support of the Nazi’s final victory and was a sign of the conquered population’s support of Hitler, but of course no one believed him. To try to bury the use of the symbol by the resistance the Germans started using the ‘V’ themselves, even the Eiffel tower had a ‘V’ with the slogan ‘Germany is Victorious on All Fronts’ underneath.

the eiffel tower during the nazi occupation, 1940TheEeiffel Tower during the German occupation of France

churchill reverse v sign

 

When Churchill first used the ‘V’ sign he sometimes did it with palm facing in until it was pointed out to him that this had a rather rude meaning for the working classes; from then on Churchill made a point of holding his hand palm outwards. Of course, the sign appealed to many people precisely because of its ‘double entendre’ meaning – with a simple movement of the wrist they could indicate a belief in victory and also tell Hitler where to go!

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America also took the ‘V’ sign to heart and it appeared in numerous places, including on this poster from the War Production Board.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Four years after de Laveleye first urged the use of the ‘V’ sign the Allies finally achieved Victory in Europe, and months later came Victory against Japan, but by that time the iconic Second World War symbol of defiance had become so embedded in the minds of the people that it is still used today.

ve dayThe ground crew of a Lancaster bomber return the ‘V for Victory’ sign projected into the sky by a neighbouring searchlight crew on VE Day.

There are some interesting pictures of the use of the ’V’ sign during the Second World War in this video

https://dorindabalchin.com/2019/02/16/v-for-victory-the-sign-which-churchill-appropriated-from-the-belgians/


 
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