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From: Josediego  (Original message) Sent: 04/02/2024 20:32

   NADIE CONTESTA  a los temas cristianos.

Que es lo que pasa????.

Todos los foristas se disipan en cuentos de magia, filosofías raras, y elucubraciones mentales que nada edifican...¿ Pero donde están los verdaderos cristianos  que nos recuerden las enseñanzas del Evangelio?.

Jesucristo nos dijo:
"Id por todo el mundo y predicad el evangelio a toda criatura. El que creyere y fuere bautizado, será salvo; mas el que no creyere, será condenado". (Marcos 16:15-16).



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From: BARILOCHENSE6999 Sent: 01/03/2025 21:18
PASA QUE HAY QUE BAJAR EL EGO Y EMPEZAR DE NUEVO.
 
 
 
 
ESO ES LO DIFICIL AMIGO.
 
 
CON TODO RESPETO

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From: BARILOCHENSE6999 Sent: 01/03/2025 21:19
ESO ES LO QUE DECIR JESUCRISTO AMIGO, HAY QUE VOLVER A NACER.
 
 
 
ES LA UNICA FORMA DE SALIR DE TANTO RELATO BANANERO
 
 
CON TODO RESPETO AMIGO

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From: BARILOCHENSE6999 Sent: 02/03/2025 15:10
Place de la Concorde Paris Historical Axis by French Moments
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MAGDALENA

Post by shipstamps » Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:27 pm

 

Not much is know about the caravel, where and when built unknown.
Tonnage 200 ton, dim. 85 x 25 x 14ft. (draught)
Four masts, fore and main mast square rigged, mizzen and Bonaventura mast lateen rigged.

She was the flagship of Don Pedro de Mendoza (1487-1537) expedition to the River Plata.
Mendoza held a post in the court of Charles V, when he in 1534 made an offer to Emperor Charles V to make an expedition on his own account for the discovery and conquest of Paraguay and the countries on the Rio La Plata.
24 August 1534 Mendoza on board the MAGDALENA and 13 other vessels, with 3000 men set sail from San Lucar, Spain.
Receive from the Emperor before sailing 2.000 ducats, with the condition, when he transported to the new founded colonies 1000 colonists and 100 horses, build a road to the Pacific Ocean, erect three forts within two years he would receive 2.000 ducats more. Also he had to take 8 monks, a physician, a surgeon, and an apothecary, but he was forbidden to introduce a lawyer in the colony.
He was to have half the treasure of the chiefs killed and nine-tenths of the ransom.
Mendoza was made before sailing military governor of all the territory between the Rio de la Plata and the Strait of Magellan. The office of the Governor was also made hereditary.

Off the coast of Brazil the fleet was scattered in a heavy storm, and Medoza lieutenant Osario, was assassinated, according to some authorities by the orders of Mendoza himself because of suspected disloyalty.
1535 Mendoza sailed up the Rio de la Plata, and founded Buenos Aires on 02 February 1536.
He erected two forts there to defend the place.
Pestilence broke out and the natives became unfriendly after ill treatment by the Spaniards.
His brother Don Diego led a force against the hostile tribes, but was killed with three-fourths of his men.
A general conspiracy of the natives was formed, and Buenos Aires was captured and burned by the natives.
Mendoza retired to the forth Sanctus-Spiritus, from where he dispatched Juan de Ayolas to explore the upper part of the river.
Another brother, Gonzalo arrived with reinforcements and founded the city of Ascención in Paraguay in 1536.
Mendoza, disappointed and with a broken health, embarked on board the MAGDALENA for Spain in 1537, leaving Juan de Ayolas in charge.
During the long voyage to Spain he died maniac on board the MAGDALENA on 23 June 1537.

The fate of the MAGDALENA is not known.

Argentine 1979 400p + 400p sg 1646

Source: mostly copied from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_de_Mendoza http://famousamericans.net/pedrodemendoza
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MAGDALENA

Post by shipstamps » Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:27 pm

 

Not much is know about the caravel, where and when built unknown.
Tonnage 200 ton, dim. 85 x 25 x 14ft. (draught)
Four masts, fore and main mast square rigged, mizzen and Bonaventura mast lateen rigged.

She was the flagship of Don Pedro de Mendoza (1487-1537) expedition to the River Plata.
Mendoza held a post in the court of Charles V, when he in 1534 made an offer to Emperor Charles V to make an expedition on his own account for the discovery and conquest of Paraguay and the countries on the Rio La Plata.
24 August 1534 Mendoza on board the MAGDALENA and 13 other vessels, with 3000 men set sail from San Lucar, Spain.
Receive from the Emperor before sailing 2.000 ducats, with the condition, when he transported to the new founded colonies 1000 colonists and 100 horses, build a road to the Pacific Ocean, erect three forts within two years he would receive 2.000 ducats more. Also he had to take 8 monks, a physician, a surgeon, and an apothecary, but he was forbidden to introduce a lawyer in the colony.
He was to have half the treasure of the chiefs killed and nine-tenths of the ransom.
Mendoza was made before sailing military governor of all the territory between the Rio de la Plata and the Strait of Magellan. The office of the Governor was also made hereditary.

Off the coast of Brazil the fleet was scattered in a heavy storm, and Medoza lieutenant Osario, was assassinated, according to some authorities by the orders of Mendoza himself because of suspected disloyalty.
1535 Mendoza sailed up the Rio de la Plata, and founded Buenos Aires on 02 February 1536.
He erected two forts there to defend the place.
Pestilence broke out and the natives became unfriendly after ill treatment by the Spaniards.
His brother Don Diego led a force against the hostile tribes, but was killed with three-fourths of his men.
A general conspiracy of the natives was formed, and Buenos Aires was captured and burned by the natives.
Mendoza retired to the forth Sanctus-Spiritus, from where he dispatched Juan de Ayolas to explore the upper part of the river.
Another brother, Gonzalo arrived with reinforcements and founded the city of Ascención in Paraguay in 1536.
Mendoza, disappointed and with a broken health, embarked on board the MAGDALENA for Spain in 1537, leaving Juan de Ayolas in charge.
During the long voyage to Spain he died maniac on board the MAGDALENA on 23 June 1537.

The fate of the MAGDALENA is not known.

Argentine 1979 400p + 400p sg 1646

Source: mostly copied from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_de_Mendoza http://famousamericans.net/pedrodemendoza
https://shipstamps.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6731

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From: BARILOCHENSE6999 Sent: 03/03/2025 02:19

Monumento a Mendoza

Según Wikipedia,

 

El Monumento a Pedro de Mendoza es una escultura realizada en su honor, ubicada en el Parque Lezama en el barrio de San Telmo en Buenos Aires, Argentina.

 

Pedro de Mendoza (¿1499?-1537) fue un militar, almirante y conquistador español, primer adelantado de la región del Río de la Plata (desde ese río hasta el Estrecho de Magallanes). En 1536 fundó la primera Ciudad de Buenos Aires, pero debió huir al fuerte de Sancti Spiritu por las invasiones de los aborígenes del lugar. Muy enfermo, se embarcó rumbo a España pero murió el 23 de junio de 1537 cerca de las Islas Canarias.

 

El monumento es obra de Juan Carlos Oliva Navarro y fue inaugurado el 23 de junio de 1937, en el cuadringentésimo aniversario de la muerte del conquistador.

 

Está formado por una fuente cuadrada con dos vertederos que simbolizan el Río Guadalquivir y el Río de la Plata, donde tuvo comienzo y fin la expedición.

 

La estatua de don Pedro de Mendoza es de bronce y está delante con un muro revestido de mármol con bajorrelieves representando una figura indígena. En uno de los bajorrelieves, están grabados los nombres de todos los integrantes de la expedición. Pedro de Mendoza aparece clavando la espada en el suelo como símbolo de la toma de posesión de las tierras.

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Wikipedia says:

 

The Monument to Pedro de Mendoza is a sculpture made in his honor, located in the Parque Lezama in the neighborhood of San Telmo in Buenos Aires, Argentina .

 

Pedro de Mendoza (1499? -1537) was a Spanish soldier , admiral and conqueror , the first entry into the Rio de la Plata region (from that river to the Strait of Magellan ). In 1536 he founded the first City of Buenos Aires , but he had to flee to Sancti Spiritu Fort because of the invasions of the indigenous inhabitants of the place. Very ill, he sailed for Spain but died on June 23 , 1537 near the Canary Islands .

 

The monument is the work of Juan Carlos Oliva Navarro and was inaugurated on June 23, 1937 , on the four-hundredth anniversary of the death of the conqueror. It is formed by a square fountain with two sources that symbolize the Guadalquivir River and the Río de la Plata , where the expedition had its beginning and end. The statue of Don Pedro de Mendoza is made of bronze and is in front with a wall covered in marble with bas-reliefs representing an indigenous figure. In one of the bas-reliefs, the names of all the members of the expedition are engraved. Pedro de Mendoza is depicted stabbing his sword into the ground as a symbol of taking possession of the land.

 

Fuente/source: es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monumento_a_Pedro_de_Mendoza

 

La fundación de Buenos Aires.

 

Corre la primavera de 1534. Estamos en el Alcázar de Toledo, palacio del emperador Carlos V que, muchísimos años después, sería defendido heroicamente por el coronel Moscardó, durante la Guerra Civil librada en España entre 1936 y 1939.

 

Aquel lejano día del siglo XVI –un 21 de mayo, para ser preciso– el emperador firma un contrato (“capitulación”) con don

Pedro de Mendoza, un noble andaluz, muy rico, que se ha distinguido al servicio de Su Majestad en el asalto a la ciudad de Roma y en cuyo escudo luce un lema piadoso: “Ave Maria, Gratia Plena”.

 

Mediante esa capitulación, se otorga a Mendoza el título de “Adelantado” del Río de la Plata y se convienen las condiciones de la empresa que acometerá en Indias.

 

En virtud de lo acordado, algo más de un año después –el 24 de agosto de 1535– zarpa de Sanlúcar de Barrameda una flota,

imponente para la época. La componen 11 navíos, que llevan a bordo unos 1.200 tripulantes. La nave capitana se llama “Magdalena” y desplaza 200 toneladas. En ella viaja el Adelantado, enfermo y tendido en cama. Pues, en efecto, se supone que el principal motivo que impulsó a Mendoza hacia estas tierras fue la búsqueda del “Árbol de la Salud”, al que se atribuían cualidades capaces de curar sus males, contraídos en conquistas de otra naturaleza.

 

Lo acompañan un hermano suyo, Diego, y tres sobrinos, Gonzalo de Mendoza, Pedro y Luis Benavídez; su médico Hernando de Zamora; Rodrigo de Cepeda, que es hermano de Santa Teresa de Jesús, y varios frailes mercedarios.

 

Llevan con ellos caballos y yeguas. La mala fortuna acompañó el emprendimiento de don Pedro. Mala fortuna que se

consideró el castigo de una injusticia, cometida por el Adelantado cuando ordenó apuñalar al Maestre de Campo Juan de Osorio, acusado de intentar amotinar a los soldados, sin que ese cargo fuera jamás probado.

 

Luego de recalar en Río de Janeiro, los buques alcanzan el Plata a principios de 1536. Y, hacia comienzos de febrero, entran al Riachuelo de los Navíos, un curso de agua –limpia por entonces– que desemboca en aquél entre pajonales, ceibos, coronillos y montes de talas.

 

La intención es reparar los barcos, afectados sus cascos por la carcoma, y construir algún bergantín para remontar el río.

 

Mendoza dispone erigir allí un “real” –o sea apenas algo más que un campamento–, ignorándose el día preciso en que el mismo empezó a alzarse, si bien cabe establecerlo entre el 2 y el 5 de febrero de 1536.

 

Tampoco se sabe el sitio preciso de su emplazamiento, suponiéndose que estaba en lo alto de la barranca del actual Parque Lezama.

 

De modo que, aunque don Pedro de Mendoza no se hubiera propuesto fundar realmente una ciudad, en ese “real” precario, levantado cerca del Riachuelo, tuvo su origen Buenos Aires.

 

El caserío fue llamado Santa María del Buen Ayre, en homenaje a una advocación de María Santísima –la “Madonna di Bonaria”– cuya imagen era venerada en Cerdeña, hallándose su devoción extendida entre los marineros del Mediterráneo, que acostumbraban pedirle vientos favorables para sus navegaciones.

 

Formaba el asentamiento un conjunto de ranchos, con techos de totora y paredes de barro, defendido por una empalizada en la cual se emplazaron varios cañoncitos.

 

Dentro del perímetro había una plaza de armas, depósitos, talleres y alguna casa donde se erigiera un altar, oficiando así de iglesia. La planta del poblado medía una cuadra por lado.

 

The Founding of Buenos Aires.

 

It is the spring of 1534. We are in the Alcázar de Toledo, palace of the Emperor Carlos V which, many years later, would be defended heroically by the colonel Moscardó, during the Civil War fought in Spain between 1936 and 1939.

 

That distant day of the sixteenth century - a May 21, to be precise - the emperor signs a contract ("capitulation") with Pedro de Mendoza, an Andalusian nobleman, very rich, who has distinguished himself in the service of His Majesty in the assault on the city of Rome and in whose shield shines a pious motto: "Ave Maria, Gratia Plena".

 

Through this capitulation, Mendoza is granted the title of "Adelantado" of the Rio de la Plata the and the terms and conditions of the company’s voyage to the Indies are agreed.

 

Pursuant to the agreement, just over a year later -on August 24, 1535- a fleet sails from Sanlúcar de Barrameda. Imposing for the time. It is composed of 11 ships, which have about 1,200 on board crew The flagship is called "Magdalena" and displaces 200 tons. In it travels the Adelantado, sick and lying in bed. It is assumed that the main reason that prompted Mendoza to these lands was the search for the "Tree of Health", which was thought to have qualities capable of curing his ills, contracted in conquests of another nature.

 

He is accompanied by his brother, Diego, and three nephews, Gonzalo de Mendoza, Pedro and Luis Benavídez; his doctor Hernando de Zamora; Rodrigo de Cepeda, who is the brother of Santa Teresa de Jesús, and several Mercedarian friars.

 

They carry horses and mares with them. The bad fortune accompanied Don Pedro's undertaking. Bad luck that considered the punishment of an injustice, committed by the Adelantado when he ordered stabbing Campo Master Juan de Osorio, accused of trying to mutiny the soldiers, without this charge ever being proven.

 

After landing in Rio de Janeiro, the ships reach the Plata at the beginning of 1536. And, towards the beginning of February, they enter the Riachuelo de los Navíos, a watercourse -clean then- between wetlands.

 

The intention is to repair the ships, affected by woodworm, and build a brig to go upriver.

 

Mendoza plans to erect a "real" there - that is, little more than a camp -, not noting the precise day when it began to rise, although it can be established between February 2 and 5, 1536.

 

Nor is it known the precise location of its location, assumed to be at the highest part of Lezama Park.

 

So, although Don Pedro de Mendoza had not proposed to found really a city, in that precarious "real" one, built near the Riachuelo, had its origin Buenos Aires.

 

The hamlet was called Santa María del Buen Ayre, in homage to an advocation of Mary Most Holy - the "Madonna di Bonaria" - whose image was venerated in Sardinia, being her widespread devotion among the sailors of the Mediterranean, who used to ask for favorable winds for their voyages.

 

The settlement formed a group of ranches, with totora roofs and walls of mud, defended by a palisade in which several cannon were emplaced.

 

Within the perimeter there was a weapons plaza, warehouses, workshops and a house where an altar was erected, thus serving as a church. The village measured one block per side.

 

Fuente/Source: www.argentinahistorica.com.ar/intro_cronica.php?tema=1&am...

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From: BARILOCHENSE6999 Sent: 03/03/2025 14:25
rme MAGDALENA of ROYAL MAIL LINE - Source: Wikipedia 
ROYAL MAIL STEAM PACKET COMPANY and ROYAL MAIL LINE lost a number of ships in their long history. One of the last was the 17,547 GT turbine steamship rms MAGDALENA, which was launched in 1948, grounded and sank off Brazil on her maiden voyage in 1949.

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From: BARILOCHENSE6999 Sent: 03/03/2025 14:35
Wreck of the RMS Magdalena or Titanic in Rio De Janeiro.
A ship built in the same shipyard where the Titanic was born and which ironically ended on its maiden voyage as well.
Historic
One of the prides of the British shipping company Royal Mail Steam Packet Company. The Magdalena, the company's third ship with that name, took two years to build, due to a lack of materials in the post-war period. It was launched on May 11, 1948 by the Harland and Wolff shipyard in Ireland and immediately placed for passenger and cargo line service to Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina.
During his inaugural voyage in April 1949, he highlighted the ita come from Santos, with a scheduled stopover in Costa Rio de Janeiro.
January During the early morning hours of the 25th, he was already approaching the city, having the beach of Barra da Tijuca through the bombardment, when at 4:30 am, apparently due to a navigation error by one of the ship's officers, it crashed on the slab of the Islands Tijucas, where he was imprisoned despite attempts to desercathe Ochoque damaged the bow and opened a large hole in pore number 3.
Issued the S.O.S. emergency, the passengers were taken to the lifeboats as the coast is very close, but they did not abandon the ship, which remained stable attached to slab. Several Navy and private ships went to the site to help the vessel, among them: the submarine fighter Guaporé, Guaiba.
Beberibe, the tugs Triunfo, Lieutenant Cláudio and Commander Dorat, in addition to the Saturno and the national freighter Goiazlóide, the first to arrive at the site. It was through some of these ships that passengers were eventually disembarked.
Soon, the ship began to be unloaded, transferring part of its cargo to auxiliary ships, barges and tugs. With the weight alleviated and the following day's high tide, the ship re-floated, starting the slow tow by Triunfo and Comandante Dorat, into the interior of Guanabara Bay.
The entrance to Guanabara Bay is narrow and divided in half by the Laje fortress, where the currents are strong and the surface agitated by the funnel of water that enters and leaves. For it was exactly when crossing the bar, probably forced by the weight of the water that invaded cellar number 3 and the thick sea, that the Magdalena left between the bridge and the striking yellow chimney, which characterized the company. The images are impressive, looking like the ship was cut with a knife.
According to some witnesses, the boilers exploded; which doesn't seem likely, as they were muffled in the first moments of the accident, but the crash of the fracture was enormous, which must have confused the stunned witnesses. Bow and amidship quickly submerged, leaving a large smear of floating objects.
Champagne bottles, among others, were collected by the city's oarsmen for several days after the shipwreck. The stern, which continued to float and was immediately released by the tugs, which tug. they also feared being pulled to the bottom. On board were only the captain, a crew member and the chief practical of Rio de Janeiro, who were quickly rescued by a tug.
However, surprising everyone, half the ship did not sink, drifting until it ran aground in the Imbuí Beach (Niterói) in front of the bow sinking site. Captain Douglas Lee and his first immediately were blamed for the accident by the court of law and had their records suspended for two and one year respectively.
In the days after the accident, the opening left in the rear half of the ship was sealed with steel plates and the entire segment was towed to a shipyard in Rio de Janeiro, where it was scrapped. The ship's machines were sold and, for many years, served as a unit thermoelectric, generating electricity for the city of Manaus. Only having been definitively retired at the beginning of 2000. Some sources claim that windows and other devices in the cockpit were used to decorate the Jurujuba late Clube salon in Niterói.
Today, there are only a few pieces left spread over an area of ​​sand and rock bottom, the largest parts were removed or blown up, and according to DHN (Diretoria de Hidrografia e Navegação da Marinha do Brasil), no more than wreckage is found. one meter from the bottom. So the location of the wreckage is not very easy.
Diving in the place is extremely difficult. Firstly, because it is the passage of large vessels and therefore, anchorage is prohibited. The place is a big narrowing at the entrance of the bar, so, with the movement of the tides, the currents in the place are very strong. To make matters worse, the color of the water in Guanabara Bay, which although at the bottom is not so dark, due to the agitation and mixing, is close to zero.
Source text : Naufrágios do Brasil
 
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From: BARILOCHENSE6999 Sent: 03/03/2025 15:53
COMO ES EXPLICA LA INTERCONEXION AMIGO CON TODO RESPETO?
 
 
 
QUIERO DATOS, NO SU RELATO BANANERO CON TODO RESPETO

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From: BARILOCHENSE6999 Sent: 03/03/2025 16:22
AMIGO, CON TODO RESPETO, QUIERO DATOS NO SU RELATO BANANERO.
 
 
TANTO LE CUESTA BAJAR SU EGO?
 
 
 
QUIERO DATOS

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From: BARILOCHENSE6999 Sent: 03/03/2025 16:31
EL DRAMA DE USTEDES ES QUE HOY EXISTE INTERNET.
 
 
¿COMO HACE USTED PARA CENSURAR TODA ESTA INFORMACION?

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From: BARILOCHENSE6999 Sent: 03/03/2025 16:44
LA ENFERMEDAD DE BABILONIA ES EL QUERER VIVIR CON EL DINERO DE OTRO, POR ESO TANTO RELATO Y NO HAY DATOS AMIGO CON TODO RESPETO.

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From: BARILOCHENSE6999 Sent: 03/03/2025 16:49
LA PREGUNTA DEL MILLON: ES INSENSATEZ, BAJO NIVEL INTELECTUAL, LAVADO DE CEREBRO, FARISEISMO, ETC?
 
 
 
ESPERO SU RESPUESTA

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From: BARILOCHENSE6999 Sent: 03/03/2025 17:10
Meme Julio Iglesias - Eres un gallina Y LO SABES - 30186757

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From: BARILOCHENSE6999 Sent: 03/03/2025 17:33
TODOS LOS CAMINOS CONDUCEN A ROMA....EL DATO MATA EL RELATO AMIGO.....CON TODO RESPETO...

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From: BARILOCHENSE6999 Sent: 03/03/2025 18:15
Altarpiece of Mary Magdalene (detail) by Pere Mates
   

Altarpiece of Mary Magdalene (detail)

(Altarpiece of Mary Magdalene, detail)

https://www.meisterdrucke.ie/fine-art-prints/Pere-Mates/1011425/Altarpiece-of-Mary-Magdalene%2C-detail.html


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