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De: BARILOCHENSE6999  (Mensaje original) Enviado: 01/03/2015 02:30


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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 19/02/2016 00:42
Good point on the "massaging" of the coil - I had forgotten about that.

I think you are spot on with your comments, and I think this coil is the best demonstration of such a focused central point. 

I am having problems with getting the stupid templates to work properly for every size, and have to keep going back to tweak each one individually. I am giving it another go today, so hopefully, I will be able to put them up shortly. In the interim, I am going to put up two charts that I found really helpful in getting going, in case anyone wants to wind their own coils. These are all based on American sizes and measurements, but I am finding it easier and more accurate to measure everything in metric units first.


This first table is info based off of a , with the link address being found in the image. This is pretty helpful in determining "correct" wire gauge to use to fill out the spaces. Maybe not necessary, and possibly over-thinking things, but does seem to make it much more symmetrical.




This second table is the info that Bill Ramsay provided for Marko Rodin when he first wound some experimental coils. These were his original measurements. Again helpful in determining how much wire to use. Note that all of Ramsay's lengths used 24 AWG wire, so there is some variance when switching to other sized wires.



Here is my completed coil. Again, this was with 28AWG wire on the green ring. This was 27 wraps per circuit, and as you can see, seems to carry quite a bit of copper to the table - almost too much in my mind. It just feels very "full". I think in the future, I will try to stick with less wraps, as this gets very messy, and quite cumbersome when approaching wrap 45 or so. It became difficult to bunch the strands together without overlapping them. I think for me personally, 18 will be my max number. I do plan on doing a second green coil with 27 wraps, for symmetry, but may abandon that idea when I wrap a different ring with different sized wire.




Lastly, this image I am trying to show the concept I alluded to earlier about seeing this differently in 3D then you do in 2D. It becomes very clear that this coil is about "swirling" the energy through the ring. This is showing only one wrap completed. It is not quite as clear as I would like to make it, but it should convey a sense of seeing the wraps as individual units, just conveying their circuit's energy "around the toilet drain". Seeing the lines separated like this I think portrays a different concept then when you see them all compressed into 2D space. I think it also begins to clarify the need for symmetry in this coil.

Anyway, more to come later on my solenoid setup as well as the templates hopefully so others can begin winding these coils.
 
Good point on the "massaging" of the coil - I had forgotten about that.

I think you are spot on with your comments, and I think this coil is the best demonstration of such a focused central point. 

I am having problems with getting the stupid templates to work properly for every size, and have to keep going back to tweak each one individually. I am giving it another go today, so hopefully, I will be able to put them up shortly. In the interim, I am going to put up two charts that I found really helpful in getting going, in case anyone wants to wind their own coils. These are all based on American sizes and measurements, but I am finding it easier and more accurate to measure everything in metric units first.


This first table is info based off of a , with the link address being found in the image. This is pretty helpful in determining "correct" wire gauge to use to fill out the spaces. Maybe not necessary, and possibly over-thinking things, but does seem to make it much more symmetrical.




This second table is the info that Bill Ramsay provided for Marko Rodin when he first wound some experimental coils. These were his original measurements. Again helpful in determining how much wire to use. Note that all of Ramsay's lengths used 24 AWG wire, so there is some variance when switching to other sized wires.



Here is my completed coil. Again, this was with 28AWG wire on the green ring. This was 27 wraps per circuit, and as you can see, seems to carry quite a bit of copper to the table - almost too much in my mind. It just feels very "full". I think in the future, I will try to stick with less wraps, as this gets very messy, and quite cumbersome when approaching wrap 45 or so. It became difficult to bunch the strands together without overlapping them. I think for me personally, 18 will be my max number. I do plan on doing a second green coil with 27 wraps, for symmetry, but may abandon that idea when I wrap a different ring with different sized wire.




Lastly, this image I am trying to show the concept I alluded to earlier about seeing this differently in 3D then you do in 2D. It becomes very clear that this coil is about "swirling" the energy through the ring. This is showing only one wrap completed. It is not quite as clear as I would like to make it, but it should convey a sense of seeing the wraps as individual units, just conveying their circuit's energy "around the toilet drain". Seeing the lines separated like this I think portrays a different concept then when you see them all compressed into 2D space. I think it also begins to clarify the need for symmetry in this coil.

Anyway, more to come later on my solenoid setup as well as the templates hopefully so others can begin winding these coils.

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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 19/02/2016 00:54
 

Did you know the great pyramid is perfect, but they say the top of the pyramid is not in the middle of the square base and has an error of a quarter of a inch lol . but that is because the modern scientists has calculate wrong the Pi number. 
Pi or π is a mathematical constant whose value is the ratio of any circle's circumference to its diameter in Euclidean space; this is the same value as the ratio of a circle's area to the square of its radius. It is approximately equal to 3.14159 in the usual decimal notation (see the table for its representation in some other bases). π is one of the most important mathematical and physical constants: many formulae from mathematics, science, and engineering involve π.
 Circumference = π × diameter

 Area of the circle = π × area of the shaded square

Calculating Pi number 
π can be empirically estimated by drawing a large circle, then measuring its diameter and circumference and dividing the circumference by the diameter. Another geometry-based approach, due to Archimedes,[19] is to calculate the perimeter, Pn , of a regular polygon with n sides circumscribed around a circle with diameter d. Then 

That is, the more sides the polygon has, the closer the approximation approaches π. Archimedes determined the accuracy of this approach by comparing the perimeter of the circumscribed polygon with the perimeter of a regular polygon with the same number of sides inscribed inside the circle. Using a polygon with 96 sides, he computed the fractional range: 


I will say only that his ARCHIMEDES axiom (287-212 BC) resulting from the conclusion that seems logical in our OLD thinking and reference, namely that a circle can be compared and even overlapped with circumscribed polygon with infinite number of sides is not accurate! 


The modern scientist will say to you if you give them the TRUE PI NUMBER "Archimedes established margin that included PI: between 3.1408 (223/71) and 3.1428 (22 / 7), so the your result are not included in this interval, so that is false!"

For the moment all the guys out there uses PI=3.1415(....)
but the true Pi number is 3,1446(...) go and measure on terrain!!! practical !!! 

PI=4/radical(PHI, the golden ratio = 1.61803399(...)) = 3.14460550981492(...) !!! 
 The Golden Ratio!!! 

Facts:
According to the true pi number the diameter of the Large Hadron Collider is smaller with 8.13 meters!
According to the true pi number the GREAT PYRAMID IS P.E.R.F.E.C.T.!!!!!!!
According to the true pi number N.A.S.A. is using the true PI number. lol
According to the true pi number the humans will be able to build more perfect buildings (and durable ffs!!!)
ACCORDING TO THE TRUE PI NUMBER THE MARKO RODIN SINGLE TORUS COIL WILL BE UPGRADED AND MORE EFFICIENT!!! and a little bigger in diameter )
Last edited by fr0sty; 22-05-2009 at 05:27 PM.
 
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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 20/02/2016 00:57
Maximumgravity1, I don't know of any vortex modeling aps as it can be quite complex math, they use the latest super computers to calculate fluid dynamics and even then its not completely accurate modeling.

There are some very simple examples you can play with here if you download the player .http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/se...x=0&submit.y=0

It probably better to just read about how they work, id recommend 
http://www.sciencetoymaker.org/vortex/explore.htm ( this has your bottle example)

and the work of Viktor Schauberger since he did a lot of water related stuff, 
http://evgars.com/shauberg1.htm




Back to the torus's I was always wondering what the mathematical equivalents to the size of the torus was in relation to its ring, aka how big the doughnut hole is and how did the size effect the torus properties.

I didn't realize it but there are several differently names torus's depending on this. Most of the "Marko" coils I've seen are actually called "ring torus's" and I think that's mainly due to the fact that the windings need some space to be wrapped, especially if you have fat fingers 

But check this out, 




Now if you take the horn torus you find the golden triangle 


That image is from a Dr. Shikhirin paper http://www.elastoneering.com/


ps. The plural of torus is actually tori and not torus's but it sounds weird.
 
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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 20/02/2016 01:07
 
 
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From: BARILOCHENSE6999 Sent: 19/02/2016 21:57
Maximumgravity1, I don't know of any vortex modeling aps as it can be quite complex math, they use the latest super computers to calculate fluid dynamics and even then its not completely accurate modeling.

There are some very simple examples you can play with here if you download the player .http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/se...x=0&submit.y=0

It probably better to just read about how they work, id recommend 
http://www.sciencetoymaker.org/vortex/explore.htm ( this has your bottle example)

and the work of Viktor Schauberger since he did a lot of water related stuff, 
http://evgars.com/shauberg1.htm




Back to the torus's I was always wondering what the mathematical equivalents to the size of the torus was in relation to its ring, aka how big the doughnut hole is and how did the size effect the torus properties.

I didn't realize it but there are several differently names torus's depending on this. Most of the "Marko" coils I've seen are actually called "ring torus's" and I think that's mainly due to the fact that the windings need some space to be wrapped, especially if you have fat fingers 

But check this out, 




Now if you take the horn torus you find the golden triangle 


That image is from a Dr. Shikhirin paper http://www.elastoneering.com/


ps. The plural of torus is actually tori and not torus's but it sounds weird.
 
Last edited by theflow; 06-01-2010 at 02:51 AM.
 
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=61370&page=32

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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 20/02/2016 01:17
Quote:
Originally Posted by theflow View Post


What kind of design are the big boys supporting?

In the horn torus we have a 'standing wave' in the center.
However in the spindle torus I see the GRAIL CUP...which goes along with the vescia piscis and what is called a quincunx (4 surrounding a center)



Chartres Cathedral West Portal...good ole' jeSuS sitting inside the Holy GRAIL Spindle Torus surrounded by the 4 Evangelists....ya digg?
anybody follow? 

namaste
Last edited by raphael; 05-02-2010 at 08:02 PM.
 
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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 21/02/2016 01:50

RodinAerodynamics.org - Marko Rodin - Rodin Coil

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RodinAerodynamics.org with Marko Rodin and the Rodin Coil is an educational ... Multiplication series are unbroken rings from cross sections of the torus.

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