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ASTROTEOLOGIA-EVANGELIO EN LAS ESTRELLAS: DRACO AND URSA MINOR (THE DRAGON/APOCALIPSIS 12)
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Draco

the Dragon


Urania's Mirror 1825. The Dragon surrounding the Little Bear, Ursa Minor

Draco is Latin for 'dragon' from Greek dracon. 'Dragon' seems to be a term for any mysterious snakelike creature in mythology. Dragons are often depicted as having a snake body on four feet. There is no fossil evidence for dragons ever having existed.

"'The tree of the Summit' was a type of the Celestial Pole, Seat of Judgment, and was guarded by the celestial serpent, the constellation Draco" [1]. "The constellation Ursa Minor which contains the Polestar, Polaris, as is now drawn enclosed on three sides by the coils of Draco; formerly it was almost entirely so" [Allen, Star Names, under Ursa Minor]. This pole, or the constellation Ursa Minor, was also imagined as a tree, and Draco, or the Dragon Ladon, is seen as guarding either the constellation Ursa Minor, or the tree in the garden of the Hesperides. Ladon, representing Draco, was the serpent-like dragon that twined round the tree in the Garden and guarded the golden apples, while tormenting the Titan Atlas (maybe Camelopardalis) as he held the heavens on his shoulders.

There are three known myths of dragons that relate to this constellation

1.  One is the dragon, Ladon, who guards the apples in the land of the Hesperides [2]. Ladon was a River-God of northern Arkadia (Arcadia), in the Peloponnesos [3]. This is in the general direction of Ursa Minor, who represents Arcas, from which the name Arcadia derives.

2.  "Some also say this Draco was thrown at Minerva (Athene) by the Gigantes (Giants), when she fought them. Minerva snatched its twisted form and threw it to the stars, and fixed it at the very pole of heaven. And so to this day it appears with twisted body, as if recently transported to the stars." [Hyginus, Astronomica 2.3 4] "Today we see him forever asleep as the much-knotted, battered, and twisted Draco" [5]. [Minerva threw the dragon to the stars — or slung it. A German word for snake is Schlange "which is probably related to 'sling'", Old English *slang ‘a snake, sinuous, snakelike, long and narrow and winding’ and slingan ‘twist oneself, creep’ [6, p.195], cognates are sling and slink, from Indo-European *slengwh- 'To slide, make slide, sling, throw', and maybe slang (casual speech).]

3.  The dragon slain by Cadmus at Thebes: Boeotian Thebes, the City of the Dragon. (Allen, p.209).

See Barry Long's feature excerpted from the book; The Origins of Man and the Universe. Subtitle: The Myth That Came to Life, The Draconic Syndrome... The character of myth and the Draconic Transverse (Draco).

Draco from the Latin dracon, Greek drakon, from drak, 'monster with the evil eye', cognate with Greek derkomai 'I see', derkesthai, 'to look at', Sanskrit darc (see), Avestic darstis (sight), Old Irish derc (eye), Old English torht, and Old High German zoraht, from the Indo-European root *derk- 'To see'. Derivatives: dragon, dragoon, drake2 (a mayfly or drake fly used as fishing bait), draconian (harsh, strict, drastic), tarragon (Artemisia dracunculus, from Greek drakontion ‘dragonwort’, New Latin tarchon), rankle (to cause persistent feelings of bitterness, resentment, or anger, from draoncle, 'abscess, festering sore'. The notion is of an ulcer caused by a snake's bite). [Pokorny derk- 213. Watkins] Other related words: Dracula, Dracaena, mandrake, Mandragora, snapdragon.

The longan tree, 'dragon eyes' from Chinese long, dragon, is so named because of the fruit's resemblance to an eyeball when it is shelled. The black seed shows through the translucent flesh like a pupil/iris. See picture.

The root *derk- should relate to the 'drakon-breeding Dirke', a fountain of Thebes [5]. Derketis (or Dercetis) identified with Dirke which is interpreted as coming from this root; 'to look upon, see, shine (derkô)' [6]. Dirke was the second wife of Lycus (after he abandoned his first wife Antiope), she was jealous of Antiope and had her imprisoned and ill-treated. Antiope escaped and found her sons Amphion and Zethus. In revenge for their mother's mistreatment Amphion and Zethus had Dirke tied to the horns of a wild bull and dragged (drag, from Old English dragan, is not a recognized cognate of 'dragon') to death over rocks. Dionysus made the famous spring, Dirke, near Thebes in Boeotia, spring up from her body.

Dercetis is also referred to as the Philistine Derceto [7], or Derketo, was said to have thrown herself into a lake near Ascalon, on which she was changed into a fish or mermaid. The Greeks recognized Atargatis under the name Derketo, known in Syria as Tirgata, also known as Dea Syria, 'Goddess of Syria'.

"And there appeared another wonder. In heaven; and behold a great red dragon... and his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth...." (Rev. 12:3-4).

The words drag and draw comes from the Indo-European root *dhragh- 'To draw, drag on the ground'. Rhyming variant of *tragh-. Derivatives: draw, drawer, (these words from Old English dragan, to draw, pull), drag (from Old Norse draga, to draw, pull, or Old English dragan), dray (from Old English draege, dragnet), draft (from Middle English draught, a pull, from a Scandinavian source akin to Old Norse *drahtr, drattr, act of drawing), dredge. [Pokorny dheragh- 257. Watkins]

“The dragon (draco) is the largest of all the snakes, or of all the animals on earth. The Greeks call it drakon, whence the term is borrowed into Latin so that we say draco. It is often drawn out of caves and soars aloft, and disturbs the air. It is crested, and has a small mouth and narrow pipes through which it draws breath and sticks out its tongue. It has its strength not in its teeth but in its tail, and it causes injury more by its lashing tail than with its jaws. Also, it does not harm with poison; poison is not needed for this animal to kill, because it kills whatever it wraps itself around. Even the elephant with his huge body is not safe from the dragon, for it lurks around the paths along which the elephants are accustomed to walk, and wraps around their legs in coils and kills them by suffocating them. It is born in Ethiopia and India in the fiery intensity of perpetual heat.” [The Etymologies of Isidore of Seville, 7th century AD, p.255.]

"Today we see him forever asleep as the much-knotted, battered, and twisted Draco" [8]. To wake a sleeping dragon is to awake a dormant power.

"Dr. John Tanke has theorized that the words dragon and draugr might be related. He notes that both the serpent and the spirit serve as jealous guardians of the graves of kings or ancient civilizations. Dragons that act as draugar appear in Beowulf as well as in the stories of Siegfried" [9]. Draugrs seem to be dream characters or characters from a vision as described here. The word dream is related to Old Norse draugr, German traum, 'dream', Old Saxon bi-driogan, 'to deceive', Old High German triogan, 'to lie', from the Indo-European root *dhreugh- 'To deceive'. [Pokorny 2. dhreugh- 276. Watkins] With Australian aboriginals, creation is the Dreaming.

According to Carl Jung, "the structure of a dream is similar to a drama", dreams are drawn from our life experiences and those past experiences that rankle us influence our dreaming (rankle from the same root as dragon; *derk- 'To see'.)

In Sanskrit *derk- became darsanam, 'seeing, meeting'. In Hinduism Darshan refers to a sight or glimpse of a holy personage, such as a guru [12]. darshana, refers to any of the six schools of Hindu philosophy (literally, 'views').

Greek dorkas, a gazelle (so called in reference to its large bright eyes), from derkesthai, perfect dedorka, see, look at. Drake and dragon are of the same ult. origin. 'dedorka' , 'have seen' 'I see' [13, p.116]. [There is no English cognate word in the IE *derk root referring to 'sight' or 'see', but there is the word 'gaze' (a word of unknown origin) in 'gazelle' which is a translation of the Greek dorkas?]

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17 FISH

THE BIBLE AND THE STARS

compiled by Dee Finney

(ichthus)

by Harold F. Carbonneau Jr.

Sometime during the 1st century the early Christians in the Rome catacombs began using fish symbols for secrecy purposes.
The earliest reference to this symbol was in Paedogogus, III, xi by Clement of Alexandria. In the Greek language, which was
commonly used at that time, the word for fish was ichthus (often spelled ichthus). At some point a creative person or group
formed an acrostic using the letters of i ch t hu s.

2 Tim 4:17

Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me;
that by me the preaching might be fully known,
and that all the Gentiles might hear:
and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.

Rev 5:5

And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not:
behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David,
hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Rev 13:1-3

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea,
having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns,
and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard,
and his feet were as the feet of a bear,
and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:
and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death;
and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

THE FISH AND I  - 5-24-03 - A DREAM - I was working on a computer, marking off the types of fish there were. I counted 17, made a mark, counted 17, made a mark, etc. until I had counted them all. Each time I made a mark, a new page started.

I also noted that there were 12 types in a ring as well.

A man came through the room and said, "If you look at the side of any fish, you can see what you are supposed to do with it, because it is written there."

That intrigued me, because I had never noticed that you could see writing on the side of a fish.

The man said, "Every fish has a message, and it will tell you even if it is poison."

Again I was intrigued and made a note of that to look the next time I saw a fish.

I then noticed that my husband had a girlfriend he was intending to leave me for, so I took my purse that had all my worldly possessions in it. I took it to a friend's house and put it in her kitchen next to the can of coffee, then I sneaked out the back door so nobody would know where I went.  Unfortunately I forgot that I didn't have shoes on and it had snowed so I couldn't go far barefooted.

I got a ride from some people, but again, being barefoot, as they drove down the highway, my feet were getting wet on the pavement, because my feet were dragging on the ground beneath the car like they were a rudder.

Finally I got back home, but there I was with no purse, so I couldn't do anything. So my husband had to drive me back to the woman's house to retrieve my purse.

We got there and he pulled up to the curb but within 12 inches of a large tree trunk and a pile of snow 3 feet high and I couldn't open the car door. He was angry about the tree and the snow so I was glad I had made the decision to hide my purse.

Finally he determined he had to move the car because the tree blocked the car door from opening. So I went into the house and got my purse.

I decided to see how much money I had. I opened my purse and pulled out a bag of candy. There were 17 pieces of candy in the bottom of it, but there was a stack of 17 small chocolate chip cookies in the right hand corner and that was even more important.

My son Bob was there and he wanted to know about the message of the fish, so we went to the kitchen and got the fish head I had left there. I opened the fished head and separated the top from the bottom so we could see the ring of 12 teeth inside.

I told him, "What was important was that I had 17 pieces of candy in it.

THE FISH AGAIN: 5-26-03 - DREAM - I was researching the 17 fish and wrote about them. After the work was done, it was decided to save the information on 3 different levels, indicated by bath towels hanging on silver rods in a bathroom - The towels were colored yellow, light green, and light blue.

NOTE: Following this, the next couple days were filled with coincidences and synchronicities with chocolate chip cookies - we saw them everywhere - on TV, in magazines, in the newspaper and people sent us dreams about chocolate chip cookies and pancakes.  That was amazing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


The word zodiac itself is taken from the Greek word zodiakos. It means 'a circle.'
Since so many astrological signs depict animals, like that of a lion, fish, scorpion,
ram, and so on, many have assumed that the word 'zodiac' comes from the Greek zoe,
to live. The root of zodiakos, is actually zoad. Zoad means a way, or a path,
or a going by steps. In this connection, the word zoad describes how the sun
appears to move through the stars -- step by step -- every twelve months.
As the sun returns to almost the exact spot that it occupied on the same date
a year earlier, this course is repeated every year. So the path, or way,
or the going by steps through the sky is called the zodiac.

 

 

THE GREAT BEAR, 17 STARS (PT: THE BIG BEAR (URSA MAJOR), 27 STARS);

Click on image to enlarge

The stars of the Plough, shown linked by the thicker lines in the chart above, form one of the most recognised star patterns in the sky. Also called the Big Dipper, after the soup ladles used by farmer's wives in America to serve soup to the farm workers at lunchtime, it forms part of the Great Bear constellation - not quite so easy to make out! The stars Merak and Dubhe form the pointers which will lead you to the Pole Star, and hence find North. The stars Alcor and Mizar form a naked eye double which repays observation in a small telescope as Mizar is then shown to be an easily resolved double star. A fainter reddish star forms a triangle with Alcor and Mizar. Ursa Major contains many interesting "deep sky" objects. The brightest, listed in Messier's Catalogue, are shown on the chart, but there are many fainter galaxies in the region too. In the upper right of the constellation are a pair of interacting galaxies M81 and M82 shown in the image below. M82 is undergoing a major burst of star formation and hence called a "starburst galaxy". They can be seen together using a low power eyepiece on a small telescope.

Mizar, at a distance of 78 light years from the Sun, and Alcor at 81 light years, while appearing to be a double star, are actually only an optical double. An optical double star is not a true double star where the components are gravitationally bound together and orbit around each other, but rather a chance alignment along our line of sight. However, Mizar and Alcor are members of the nearest star cluster to the sun, the Ursa Major moving cluster, Collinder 285.

The components of the Mizar multiple star system are Mizar A (Zeta 1 Ursa Majoris at magnitude 2.27) and Mizar B (Zeta 2 Ursa Majoris at magnitude 3.95), located 14.42 arc seconds away. Each of these stars is in turn a binary star, however the companions are so close to their primaries they can only be detected by spectroscopy.

When examining the field near to Mizar and Alcor in a telescope, four stars can easily be seen. The brightest is Mizar at magnitude 2.27. Alcor is about 12 arc minutes away at magnitude 4. Closer to Mizar at just 15 arc seconds away is Mizar B, the 4th magnitude companion. Between Mizar and Alcor is a fourth star, Sidus Ludoviciana, shining at magnitude 8, which is a field star that is not even part of the Ursa Major cluster

Ursa Major

Meaning = Great Bear

Plural Form = Ursae Majoris

Abbreviation = UMa

Right Ascension  = 10 hours

Declination = 48 degrees

Alpha Star = Dubhe

Ursa Major is a constellation located at right ascension 10 hours and declination 48 degrees.

The name of this constellation means Great Bear.

The principal star of this constellation is Dubhe.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pisces                  The Fishes                AlRischa     M74                  
Aphrodite & Eros - who changed into fish to escape Typhon

Piscis Australis   The Southern Fish   Fomalhaut   Double stars        

COSMIC TIME - MISTRESS OF THE WORLD TREE - SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE

Celestial Orientation Markers and Meridians
Zenith: At the luff of the top sail of Argo Navis
Nadir: Just under the rock of Andromeda.

Zenith Meridian: North to South: Breast of the Great Bear,
back legs of Leo, Hydra, the serpent of the upper world at the base of the Holy Grail, Crater,
at the Milky Way between Musca (Fly), Crux, and the stern of Argo Navis,
Tucan, the Macaw of the South.

Nadir Meridian: North to South: Pointers of the Big Dipper in Ursa Major,
tail of Draco, neck of the Camel, and Polaris, the nose of the Little Bear,
hat of king Cepheus, Milky Way at the top of the World Tree, the rock of Andromeda,
across the bridge from Sirrah, on the post cosmogenesis side of the World Tree,
the cup of Aquarius, Fomalhaut, the mouth of the Southern Fish, wings of the Stork.

 

 

 

 

 

 


The Story of Toll House Cookies
The Fisher

Fish were a popular food item throughout The Bible. They were taken from the Sea of Galilee, the Nile River when the Israelites were living in the Goshen area of Egypt, the Jordan River, and the Mediterranean Sea. As its name indicates, the Dead Sea, also called the Salt Sea, did not provide a living habitat for fish.

The photo shows 2 tilapia, also popularly known as "St. Peter's fish," taken from the Sea of Galilee. Along with them are 5 loaves of bread - similar to what Jesus Christ used to miraculously feed the 5,000 (Matthew 14:15-21). He later fed 4,000 from "a few small fish" and seven loaves of bread (Matthew 15:32-38) (see also The Miracles Of Jesus Christ)

Fishing became a major industry for Israel. Jerusalem apparently had a fish market from the time of the Old Testament (2 Chronicles 33:14, Nehemiah 3:3), with the Fish Gate the likely entrance to it.

It was from the ranks of fishermen that Jesus Christ called His first Apostles (Mark 1:16-20), including Peter and John. Fish and fishing were often associated with His ministry, and later were actually used as a symbol of it.

Jesus miraculously calmed the storm from a fishing boat (Matthew 8:23-26)

Jesus spoke many of His Parables to the crowds while He stood in a fishing boat (Matthew 13:1-58)

Jesus once miraculously paid His and Peter's taxes with a coin taken from inside a fish (Matthew 17:27)

Jesus miraculously had the disciples make a huge catch of fish, so great that their nets were filled to overflowing (John 21:1-14)

Jesus ate a piece of broiled fish with his disciples after His resurrection from The Tomb (Luke 24:42-43).

One of The Lord's most direct encouragements to those who accept and obey Him, and dire warnings to those who choose to reject His offer of eternal life, used fishing as an analogy -

"Once again, The Kingdom of Heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 13:47-50 NIV)

Jesus Christ said that His disciples would become "fishers of men"? Matthew 4:19

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Job 41: Is it possible for Leviathan to be pulled out with a fish-hook, or for a hook to be put through the bone of his mouth?

Ezekiel 29:4: And I will put hooks in your mouth, and the fish of your streams will be hanging from your skin; and I will make you come up out of your streams, with all the fish of your streams hanging from your skin.

Amos 4:2: The Lord God has taken an oath by his holy name, that the days are coming when they will take you away with hooks, and the rest of you with fish-hooks.

Jonah 1:17: And the Lord made ready a great fish to take Jonah into its mouth; and Jonah was inside the fish for three days and three nights.

Habakkuk 1:15: He takes them all up with his hook, he takes them in his net, getting them together in his fishing-net: for which cause he is glad and full of joy.

Genesis 1:21: And God made great sea-beasts, and every sort of living and moving thing with which the waters were full, and every sort of winged bird: and God saw that it was good.

Exodus 4:2: And the Lord said to him, What is that in your hand? And he said, A rod.

Exodus 7:17: So the Lord says, By this you may be certain that I am the Lord; see, by the touch of this rod in my hand the waters of the Nile will be turned to blood;

Exodus 21:20: If a man gives his man-servant or his woman-servant blows with a rod, causing death, he is certainly to undergo punishment.

Numbers 17:2: Say to the children of Israel that they are to give you rods, one for every family, for every chief, the head of his father's house, making twelve rods; let every man's name be placed on his rod.

Numbers 17:6: So Moses gave these orders to the children of Israel, and all their chiefs gave him rods, one for the head of every family, making twelve rods: and Aaron's rod was among them.

Exodus 14:16: And let your rod be lifted up and your hand stretched out over the sea, and it will be parted in two; and the children of Israel will go through on dry land.

Mt:17:27: Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast a hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.

Jn:21:3: Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing. They say unto him, We also go with thee. They went forth, and entered into a ship immediately; and that night they caught nothing.

Jn:21:6: And he said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find. They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes.

Jn:21:11: Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so many, yet was not the net broken.

1Cor:15:39: All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

Mt:8:26: And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.

Rv:8:8: And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

Rv:13:1: And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Rv:21:1: And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Jn:21:10: Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now caught.

Lk:11:11: If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?

Jn:4:13: Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:

Lk:17:27: They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Mk:6:41: And when he had taken the five loaves and the two fishes, he looked up to heaven, and blessed, and brake the loaves, and gave them to his disciples to set before them; and the two fishes divided he among them all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Numerology of the Bible deals with all the numbers in the Bible. These numbers can be classified into two main categories: (1) numbers in the surface text and (2) numbers hidden in the text.

To just give you a glimpse of the numbers in the surface text of the Bible, I am simply pointing out the wonder of the number 153.

As we all know, this number appears in chapter 21 of John, where Jesus' 7 disciples, with Peter in lead, were catching fish as they did not know what to do, even after they had seen the risen Lord. They worked hard all night, but caught nothing. Then they heard a man by the shore speaking to them: "Cast the net at the right side of the boat!" They did as instructed and caught a net of 153 big fish, no more and no less. This is the only miracle after Jesus' resurrection recorded in the Bible that is associated with a number. You know, a fisherman seldom counts his fish -- even he does, he counts in a rough number, not in an exact number -- there is little reason for doing the latter. What is so unusual about 153?

153 = 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 +7 + 8 + 9 + 10 +11 + 12 + 13 + 14 + 15 + 16 + 17

And the number 17 is associated with Noah's Ark (it rested on the Mountain of Ararat on the 17th of the month) and the Lord Jesus' resurrection (on the 17th as well). Amazingly, the Greek noun for "fish" in "153 big fish" occurs in the whole Bible in 17 verses.

See:  153

See:  The Book

From: http://tfalck.home.attbi.com/theomatics/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.greatdreams.com/constellations/17-fish.htm


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The theomatic values of 153 and 17 (153 = 17 x 9) both point to the fact that fish are symbolic of mankind and, more specifically, the redeemed or the elect. Consider these two passages and notice the connection:

"Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

(Matthew 13:47) NIV

"Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will make you fishers of men."

(Mark 1:17) NIV

Following is a listing of just a few examples of 153, 17, and 170 found in both the Old Testament and the New Testament (two different languages). The examples are borrowed from Theomatics II.

Note: On this Web page, the English representations of the Greek spellings are from the theomatics New Testament database and represent a one-to-one character translation. Below the English representations (listed in blue) are the actual Greek characters (listed in red). Some browsers will not display the actual Greek characters. For the sake of simplicity, the Hebrew characters are not listed here--just the value of the word(s) and the English representations of the Hebrew characters (listed in blue) that are used in the theomatics Old Testament database. The theomatics database uses the Michigan Text for the Old Testament and the Majority Text for the New Testament. Originally, during the early years of research, the New Testament database used the Nestle Text--up to the 26th Edition--because at the time it was the only text that was available as an English/Greek interlinear that facilitated the research. However, sometime around 1985, Del began comparing the results with those of the Majority Text and has since come to the conclusion that the Majority Text is far more accurate. In checking theomatics against variant readings, Del has found that the Majority Text is almost always right (at least 80% of the time). So now the default text for theomatics is the Majority Text (edited by Zane C. Hodges, Arthur L. Farstad, The Greek New Testament According to the Majority Text, Second Edition, Thomas Nelson Publishers, Nashville, 1985). Del is currently in the process of updating the computer research database based upon the Majority Text. The Greek characters listed below (in red) can be displayed in Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.0 and later (and possibly other browsers as well).

FISHES   153 x 8
ixjuev   Luke 9:13


THE NET   153 x 8
to diktuon   John 21:11


FISHERS OF MEN   153 X 14
aleeiv anjrwpwn'   Mark 1:17


FISHES   170 x 11
ixjuwn'   John 21:11


THE PEOPLE   153
laon"   Luke 9:13


THE MULTITUDE   153 x 17
tw oxlw'   Matthew 15:35


ALL MEN   170 x 2
pasin'   1 Corinthians 9:22


FISH OF THE SEA   153 x 3
"!y xgd   Genesis 1:26

FISH   17
hgdh   Exodus 7:18

FISHES   17
ygd   Genesis 9:2

NET   17 x 15
'vmre   Habakkuk 1:15

ALL THE FISH   153 x 3
"xgdlk   Ezekiel 29:4

ALL FISHES OF THE SEA   17 x 7
"!y ygdlk   Genesis 9:2

THIRD PART OF CREATURES IN SEA   153 x 35
triton twn ktismatwn twn en jalassh   Revelation 8:9


MAKEST MAN LIKE FISHES OF THE SEA   153 x 6
!yh ygdk !da hwsxv   Habakkuk 1:14

MAN LIKE FISHES OF THE SEA   17 x 8
'!yh ygdk !da   Habakkuk 1:14

AS THE SAND OF THE SEA   17 x 7
!yh lvek   Genesis 32:12

THE SAND [YOUR] SEED   170 x 2
'dirz l   Isaiah 48:19

SAND UPON THE SHORE   153 x 8
xpw liw lve   Judges 7:12

A fellow number researcher submits the following:

SEVENTEEN FISH = 151 = JESUS CHRIST = LORD OF HOSTS

THE SEVENTEENTH = 170

Also, related to the 5000 who were fed:  FIVE THOUSAND = 144

-Gary-

Synchroni-city

From: http://www.bibleonly.org/exp/24q.html

In the last chapter of John’s gospel, we find the story of the 153 fish in the unbroken net. This is a gematria puzzle of considerable complexity. To illustrate the point of the story, we will reproduce its key elements.

a. Peter enters the boat, then six follow him (John 21:2-3)

The Greek gematria value of Simon Peter is 1925. If a circle of 1925 circumference is drawn to represent Peter, then it can be filled with six similar circles representing the others. Each circle touches the center and the perimeter. Then a circle is drawn around all seven circles. Its diameter is 1224, which is the gematria value of "fishes" and "the net".

b. Jesus tells the men to cast the net from the other side of the net. (John 21:6)

The net is drawn from the side of the first large circle which represents the boat. Another arc is drawn which now creates the "vesica piscis": the measure of the fish. A large rhomboid fish is drawn into the right piscis.

c. Peter is naked. He wraps his fisher’s coat around him, and jumps into the water from the other side of the boat. (John 21:7)

Another piscis is drawn on the other side, with Peter’s circle in it to represent Peter in the water. The height of the piscis is 1060, which is the gematria value of "fisher’s coat." A four by four net is drawn inside the large fish, and now we find the 153 fish. Each small "fish" has a width of 153, and there are a total of 17 fish: 16 small and one large. 153 is the sum of the numbers from 1 to 17.

d. For extended meanings, we now rotate the diagram so that the net is on the bottom and Peter is on the top.

We now have a diagram of the Gnostic cosmos as described by Plato in Timaeus. The net in the sea represents the shifting world of manifestation, where everything is in a state of flux and nothing forever remains the same. The upper world, the world of gods and first principles, is the Intelligible world: all of the universal laws on which manifestation is based. The middle world of Humanity partakes of both spirit and matter, the eternal and the temporal.

THE FISH IN THE NET
From: 'Jesus Christ - Son of God'
by David Fideler

The Symbolism of Apollo at Delphi

This diagram of the 153 fishes in the net is earlier than Christianity and is associated with the symbolism of Apollo at Delphi. Apollo is the earlier Greek personification of the Logos, the universal mediator, and it is ultimately from the mathematical symbolism of Apollo, the god of harmony, that both the diagrams of the 153 fish in the net and the feeding of the five thousand originate. Both of these diagrams are ultimately based on the numerical value of square root of 2 (1.415), the mathematical symbol of the ideal mean between unity and multiplicity, which is reflected in the title THE GOD APOLLO, 1415.

In the Christian version of John 21, the "foundation stone" of the geometry is the central circle of SIMON PETROS, 1925, the omphalos of Christianity, whose number determines the dimensions of the entire diagram. In this Christian adaptation, we start with "the omphalos" to arrive at the symbol of "the net". Likewise, in the earlier symbolism of Apollo, his omphalos at Delphi was covered with a net, symbolizing the veil of manifestation, woven from the central source of harmony. In the earlier version, the central circle symbolizes the omphalos at Delphi, the meeting point of heaven and earth, "the golden mean" of Apollo, The number 153 also figures in Delphic symbolism, for 1530 is the sum of DELPHI, 619, and OMPHALOS, 911.

Finally, if we draw a circle around the three worlds diagram, (above) the all-encompassing sphere has the measure of 7690, and 769, is the value of PYTHIOS, Apollo at Delphi.

When Christianity began, the center represents Simon Petros as the omphalos, "the foundation stone" of Christianity.

Figure 51: The Relationship between the 153 Fish in the Net and the Feeding of the Five Thousand.

This illustration shows how the mathematical progression illustrated in the previous diagram underlies the dimensions of the fish in the net geometry and the feeding of the five thousand. Both diagrams are thereby shown to be differing expressions of the same, underlying cosmological code.

The central figure is a vesica with a width of 1x the square root of 2 (1.415 = THE GOD APOLLO), which defines the diameter of the feeding of the five thousand geometry on the right.

The height of the central vesica measures 1 x the square root of 2 x the square root of 3 (2.448 = FISHES IN THE NET), which defines the height of the 153 fishes in the net geometry on the left.

In the diagram on the left, the rhombus intersects the length of the vesica in the upper world, dividing it into three equal segments of 353 units, the value of HERMES. This represents "Thrice-Great Hermes" or Hermes Trimegistos, a personification of the Logos.

153 as the measure of "the Fish in Archimedes

Archimedes (c 287-212 B.C.E.), in his treatise On the Measurement of the Cycle, uses the whole number ratio 153:265 to accurately approximate the irrational ratio square root of 3, "the measure of the fish" or the vesica piscis. Moreover, Archimedes uses this value in such a manner as to suggest that this approximation was well know to his contemporaries: it required no word of explanation at all.

This ratio, 153:265, precisely relates to the dimensions of the 153 "fish" in the unbroken net, for it defines the height and width of each rhombus in "the net." Figure 52.  Since 153 was known in the time of Archimedes as "the measure of the fish" or the vesica, ancient readers skilled mathematics would have immediately recognized the allegory of the 153 fish in the net for what is it: a geometrical "story problem."


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Miguel Arcángel

Los cristianos saben de Michael como el arcángel que comanda las fuerzas de Dios contra las fuerzas del dragón en una batalla en el cielo. Irónicamente, fue Dios quien puso el dragón en el que puede propagarse el mal todas las noches.

El dragón se introdujo en el Jardín del Edén como Adán y Eva tentador. Se nos dice que, como castigo, fue maldecido por encima de todos los animales salvajes. Ahí es donde lo encontramos en la imagen de abajo, en el punto más alto en el cielo, el Polo Norte. Cada noche, sus círculos cuerpo alrededor del Polo Norte como si fuera a ser propagando el mal dondequiera que él mira. (Ver Adán y Eva y la serpiente )

14 El Señor Dios dijo a la serpiente : "Por haber hecho esto, maldita serás entre todas las bestias y por encima de todos los animales salvajes; sobre tu pecho andarás, y polvo comerás todos los días de tu vida.
15 Y pondré enemistad entre ti y la mujer, y entre tu simiente y la simiente suya; . él te herirá en la cabeza, y tú le herirás en el calcañar " (Génesis 3: 14-15)

No es hasta el siglo II aC cuando Danial presenta a Miguel como el príncipe angelical patrona de Israel que salvará a ellos durante un tiempo de angustia.

1 "En aquel tiempo se levantará Miguel, el gran príncipe que está de tu pueblo . Y no será tiempo de angustia , cual nunca ha habido desde que hubo gente hasta entonces; pero en aquel tiempo tu pueblo será librado, todos aquellos cuyo nombre se hallen escritos en el libro. (Daniel 12: 1.)

Desde la predicción de Daniel de un tiempo de angustia, Jesús se intensifica la gravedad de la predicción de Daniel a una "abominación desoladora," Él va a predecir una gran tribulación que no se ha visto desde el principio del mundo.

15 "Así que cuando veas la abominación desoladora que habló el profeta Daniel , colocada en el lugar santo (el que lee, entienda),
16 entonces los que estén en Judea, huyan a los montes;
17 El que esté en la azotea no descienda para tomar algo de su casa;
18 . y el que esté en el campo, no vuelva atrás para tomar su capa
19 ! Y ¡ay de los que estén encintas y de las que críen en aquellos días
20 Ore para que su huida no sea en invierno ni en día de reposo.
21 Porque entonces habrá gran tribulación , cual no la ha habido desde el principio del mundo hasta ahora, no, y nunca lo será. (Mateo 24: 15-21.)

Por último, según la Revelación, la guerra se lleva a cabo. Michael derrota el dragón y sus ángeles y los arroja a la tierra.

7 Ahora la guerra se levantó en el cielo, Michael y sus ángeles luchaban contra el dragón ; Y el dragón y sus ángeles lucharon,
8 pero fueron derrotados y ya no había lugar para ellos en el cielo.
9 Y el gran dragón fue arrojado abajo, la serpiente antigua, que se llama Diablo y Satanás, el cual engaña al mundo-que todo fue arrojado a la tierra, y sus ángeles fueron arrojados con él. (Apocalipsis 12: 7)

Este pequeño estudio sencillo de Michael rebana a través de la Biblia de principio a fin. Expone un concepto del mal como a propagarse por la constelación de la serpiente dando vueltas alrededor del Polo Norte. Dos mil años de historia cristiana, cientos de años de guerras y persecuciones, miles de millones de horas-hombre, una fortuna de la riqueza, y millones de palabras escritas se reducen a esto.

 


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Bears♥and♡Hearts❤
Posted on April 28, 2014 by

Where do I start?… BEAR with me, if you will. BEARS have been popping up in the synchroverse, as well as my personal reality … so, here we go…

The documentary BEARS hit theatres this APRIL. This film is a DISNEY<–(**Save this for later**) [Pi]cture and STRS narrator and Jesus CHRIST resonator John C. Reilly. It was released just TWO days beFO[U]Re 4/20/14, Easter Day–a celebration of the resur[E]RECTION<–(**Save this for later**) of CHRIST. In the movie poster below, take notice how URSA MAJOR (Latin for “Larger BEAR” and a.k.a. the “Great BEAR“) is cuddling URSA MINOR (Latin for “Smaller BEAR” and a.k.a. the “Little BEAR“).

Bears Movie

Ursa Major and Ursa Minor team up in the documentary “Bears.”

URSA MINOR make up the STRS that form the Little Dipper (LD = 124 –> 2014). URSA MAJOR make up the STRS that form the Big Dipper (BD = 24 —> 2014). URSA MAJOR can best be seen throughout the month of APRIL.

Ursa Major Ursa Minor Polaris

“Great BEAR” and “Little BEAR,” Ursa Major and Ursa Minor.

 

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52 – Aztec Calender Stone and Calendar Wheel – OLLIN – PhaiStoS disc – OMphalos – the SwaStika as KEY

Aztec calendar stone, Sun Stone, or Stone of the Five Eras
is perhaps the most famous work of Aztec sculpture.

“Realizing this I perceived how, with the origin of the swastika, I had found the origin of the set of primeval ideas which had governed the human race from its infancy and which, in Mexican and Central American civilizations, ultimately developed into their ingenious system of government and social organization”

– Zelia Nuttall

UPDATE November 19, 2014

The following link and accompanying image was shared with me on faKebook recently.

What needs to be noted is that the swastika is finally being acknowledged by the next wave of sheeple that the 2012 sheeple herders had put into motion.

And now it appears we can move forward and start to fine tune the ‘system that wants us to learn about itself’ as Itzhak Bentov suggested.

 

Perfect Fifths 3:2
 

This video demonstrates Walter Russell tapped into what ‘just is’ is.
Walter was not the first nor will he will the last to struggle to find that language that bridges the gap between the spiritual and the manifest.

“ALL THINGS ARE INVOLVED IN ALL THINGS, ALL MOTION IS CURVED AND ALL CURVATURE IS SPIRAL”

above spiral image and quote by Walter Russell

“A theory is more impressive the greater is the simplicity of its premise
the more different are the kinds of things it relates
and the more extended its range of applicability”

-Albert Einstein

The Bardo Thodol, the Tibetan Book of the Dead
note the swastika placed in the center of the triangle placed over another triangle forming a hexagon
and the Viśva-vajra or “double vajra”

First I want to present a discussion taking place between two authors who are both providing evidence for their ‘pet’ theories.
Robert Bauvel believes that the stars found on the belt of Orion best represent the alignment of the three main pyramids on the Giza plateau while Andrew Collins is suggesting Cygnus is a better fit.

However in this discussion between Andrew Collins and Robert Bauvel I want to point out how often they both make reference to the fact that the northern sky and its immortal, imperishable, circumpolar stars were indeed held sacred by the Egyptians.

Thanks to ancient Egyptian texts, we now know the Sphinx represents Horemakhet (“Horus of the Horizon”) and is the divine personification of the rising disk of the Sun, fully poised on the eastern horizon. Intentionally aligned toward cardinal east, the Sphinx reflects the ritual significance of the cardinal directions in the Old Kingdom period (2686-2181 B.C.).

Cardinal directions originate astronomically in the daily rotation of the sky around the north celestial pole, a location of high interest to the ancient Egyptians.
The entire Giza necropolis adheres to an accurate cardinal grid.
-E.C. Krupp

It has long been accepted by Egyptologists that the imagined skyward ascent of the king’s soul was either in the north of the sky among the ‘Imperishable Stars’ or in the south of the sky amongst the stars of Orion.

This specific belief is materialized in the Great Pyramid of Giza by the so-called star-shafts emanating from the King’s Chamber, where one was targeted north to the circumpolar stars and the other targeted south to Orion.

In consideration of this, it is justified to wonder if the pyramids were not, in some symbolic way, ‘moored’ or ‘anchored’ not just to the circumpolar region of the sky in general but, more specifically, to the pole of the ecliptic, the true ‘pole’ of the sky?
-Robert Bauvel

In the Pyramid Texts a stellar deity is generally denoted with the ‘five-pointed star’ ideogram, as they did for the star-god Sah (Orion), Mesekhtiu (Big Dipper/Ursa Major) or Sothis (Sirius).

There were many gods and goddesses in ancient Egypt that were cosmic in character or origins and were avian deities or had avian symbolism such Re (Falcon), Horakhti (falcon), Sopdu (falcon), Montu (falcon), Sokar (falcon), Thoth (ibis), Benu (heron), Geb (goose), Gengen-Wer (goose) and Nekhbet (vulture). Also there were many others, although not avian, who were shown with large wings, such as Maat, Nut, Isis, and Nephtys.
-Robert Bauvel

Recall Ursa  Minor was also portrayed as the ‘wings’ of Draco!

The ancient Egyptians would have noted three distinct constellations within the circumpolar region, namely the Big Dipper (Ursae Major); the Small Dipper (Ursae Minor) and Draco.

 “The Antiquity of Man,” Krupp related, “Magical incantations inscribed on the interior walls of some Egyptian pyramids pinpoint the destiny of the pharaohs once buried within them. These prayers are known as the Pyramid Texts, and they tell us that the final destination of a dead king’s soul was the sky. In particular, the pharaoh flew to the circumpolar stars. Neither rising nor setting, these stars migrate around the north celestial pole without ever slipping into the underworld below the horizon. To the Egyptians they were the ‘undying’ stars, and their immortality would naturally attract a soul in search of everlasting life. In ancient Egyptian belief these stars advanced as a celestial army, parading eternally around the hub of heaven and keeping the cosmos on course with the daily rotation of the sky.”

also:

However, the sky-world was not here, in the east, but in the north, the place of absolute darkness, where the Imperishable Stars are to be found. This is stated again and again in the Pyramid Texts, and was why all major pyramids, and many mastaba tombs, were aligned north and not east.

Once again, this is a universal concept going back to very ancient shamanic traditions which influenced the spread of cosmology and religion worldwide. The transmigration of the soul was very often seen to be reflected in the passage of migratory birds north towards breeding grounds, something present, although previously unexplored, in ancient Egyptian tradition.
– Andrew Collins

***

The Egyptian ideas of the soul do not fit Cygnus at all. They fit the circumpolar constellations of 2600 BC, which were the Big Dipper, Draco and Ursa Minor. They also fit Orion. I repeat, Cygnus was not circumpolar in 2600 BC. Cygnus was circumpolar before 9000 BC. And Deneb was never a pole star. The nearest it got to the pole was some 50,000 years ago. I’m sure Collins does not want to entertain those dates.
-Robert Bauvel

***

Moreover, as Faulkner makes clear in ‘The king and the Star-religion in the Pyramid Texts, JNES 25, 1966, pp. 153-161, the principal destination of the deceased in the Pyramid Texts is the Imperishable Stars of the north, with much fewer references to Sah (your Orion) as a destination.
-Andrew Collins

ADZE

Yet in astronomical terms, Anubis is associated almost certainly with the ox thigh constellation, which is also the primary sacred adze of the sky. This is a northern constellation par excellence…
– Andrew Collins

***

depiction of an adze was also used as a hieroglyph, representing the consonants stp, “chosen“, and used as: Pharaoh XX, chosen of God/Goddess YY

The ahnetjer (Manuel de Codage transliteration: aH-nTr) depicted as an adze-like instrument,[4] was used in the Opening of the Mouth ceremony, intended to convey power over their senses to statues and mummies. It was apparently the foreleg of a freshly sacrificed bull or cow with which the mouth was touched.

Figure 4

The “Frieze of American History” is painted to appear as a carved stone bas-relieffrieze but is actually a trompe-l’œil fresco cycle depicting 19 scenes from American history. The “frieze” occupies a band immediately below the 36 windows. Brumidi designed the frieze and prepared a sketch in 1859 but did not begin painting until 1878. Brumidi painted seven and a half scenes. While working on “William Penn and the Indians,” Brumidi fell off the scaffolding and held on to a rail for 15 minutes until he was rescued. He died a few months later in 1880. After Brumidi’s death, Filippo Costaggini was commissioned to complete the eight and a half remaining scenes in Brumidi’s sketches. He finished in 1889 and left a 31-foot (9 m) gap due to an error in Brumidi’s original design. In 1951, Allyn Cox completed the frieze.

Except for the last three panels named by Allyn Cox, the scenes have no particular titles and many variant titles have been given. The names given here are the names used by the Architect of the Capitol, which uses the names that Brumidi used most frequently in his letters and that were used in Edward Clark and by newspaper articles.

The 19 panels are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Capitol_rotunda

This panel shows the Spanish conquistadorHernán Cortés entering an Aztectemple, being welcomed by Moctezuma II. At the beginning of the Spanish conquest of the Aztec EmpireMoctezuma and the Aztecs honored Cortés as a god, believing that he was the returning god Quetzalcoatl.

The Aztec calendar stone and cult images are based on sketches drawn by Brumidi in Mexico City.

 

Dispelling the myths about 2012

The investigations of Maurice Cotterell.

Aztec Calender Stone and Calendar Wheel

52 – OLLIN – PhaiStoS disc – OMphalos

Swastika is the KEY

AZTEC CALENDAR STONE

The Aztec calendar stoneMexica sun stoneStone of the Sun (SpanishPiedra del Sol), or Stone of the Five Eras, is a large monolithic sculpture that was excavated in the ZócaloMexico City‘s main square, on December 17, 1790.[2] It was discovered whilst Mexico City Cathedral was being repaired.[3] The stone is around 12 feet  or  3.7 m!!!  across and weighs about 24 tons.[4]

The exact purpose and meaning of the stone is unclear. However archaeologists and historians have proposed a number of theories and it seems likely that there are many aspects to the stone.[5]

Mexican anthropologist Antonio de León y Gama (1735-1802) remarked that the Sun Stone showed that the Aztecs had knowledge of geometry to be able to carve the stone symmetrically and it showed they also had knowledge of mechanics to be able to move the stone from its quarry to its final destination.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec_calendar_stone

“The exact purpose and meaning of the stone is unclear”

“To this day, the theorem of Pythagoras remains the most important single theorem in the whole of mathematics.
That seems a bold and extraordinary thing to say, yet it is not extravagant;
because what Pythagoras established is a fundamental characterization of the space in which we move, and it is the first time that is translated into numbers.
And the exact fit of the numbers describes the exact laws that bind the universe.
In fact, the numbers that compose right-angled triangles have been proposed as messages which we might send out to planets in other star systems as a test for the existence of rational life there.”

– Jacob Bronowski 1973

The video where we can find that quote;

Also the MIT scholar Giorgio de Santillana believed that the ancients perceived the pole of the ecliptic as the centre of a ‘whirlpool’ in the sky. In keeping with this hypothesis, R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz demonstrates that the astronomical arrangements of the circumpolar and zodiacal constellations at the centre of the circular Denderah Zodiacshow both the pole of the ecliptic as well as the north celestial pole.

As the author and pyramid researcher Peter Tompkins explained:

“The zodiac (of Denderah) is a circle at the centre of which is our north pole… our nor th pole is correctly located in the constellation of the jackal, or Little Bear (Ursa Minor), as it was at the time the zodiac was carved, sometime about the first century BC. But the zodiac also shows the pole of the ecliptic, located in the breast of the hippopotamus, or constellation of Draco. To Schwaller this explains the spiral formation of the constellations. The mythological figures are entwined in two circles –one around the north pole and one around the pole of the ecliptic. Where these two circles intersect marks the point of the equinox, or due east. The zodiac thus becomes a calendar going back to remote antiquity.”

In the 1970s the professor of the History of Science, Livio C. Stecchini, examined ancient Egyptian charts of the circumpolar constellations, showing the Hippopotamus (Draco) and the Thigh (Ursa Major or Great Bear) as well as a hawk-headed man, probably Horus, seen pointing a pole or spear at the head of the Bull.

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According to the Czechoslovakian Egyptologist Zybnek Zaba, the pole or spear held by the hawk-headed man indicated the meridian line passing through the north celestial pole.
But Stecchini did not agree. He maintained that Zaba did not notice that the spear’s head divided the seven stars of the Thigh (Big Bear) constellation into groups of three and four stars. This line defined by the spear, argued Stecchini, does not indicate the meridian passing through the north celestial pole at all but the meridian passing through the pole of the ecliptic.

According to Stecchini, the ancient Egyptians not only understood the precession of the equinoxes but also knew that the true meridian is the one passing through the pole of the ecliptic.

What follows was written in 1901, and it is being ignored today, why?

“The moment primitive man began to observe anything, he must have taken note of the stars, and as soon as he began to talk about them he must have started by defining, in some way or other, the particular star he meant…. Observers would first consider the brightest stars and separate them from the dimmer ones; they would then discuss the stars which never set (the circumpolar constellations) and separate them from those which did rise and set. Then they would naturally, in a northern clime, choose out the constellation of the Great Bear or Orion, and for small groups, the Pleiades (op. cit. p. 132)…. A few years’ observation would have appeared to demonstrate the absolute changelessness of the places of the rising and setting of the same stars. It is true that this result would have been found to be erroneous when a long period of time had elapsed and when observation became more accurate, but for hundreds of years the stars would certainly appear to represent fixity, while the movements of the sun, moon and planets would seem to be bound by no law … would appear erratic, so long as the order of their movements was not known.”

The reflection that Ursa Major was probably the first constellation which made any deep impression upon the mind of prehistoric man in America, as elsewhere, lent an additional interest to the star-group, as I concentrated my mind upon its form and endeavored to imagine it in four equidistant positions, corresponding to the numerals in the symbol Ollin of the calendar-stone of Mexico.

I succeeded in obtaining, in succession, mental images of the constellation in four opposite positions. This effort led to an unforeseen result which surprised me. In a flash of mental vision I perceived a quadrupled image of the entire constellation, standing [pg 015]out in scintillating brilliancy from the intense darkness of the wintry sky (fig. 3, no. 3). At the same moment I saw that it bore the semblance of a symmetrical swastika of giant proportions. This fact, so unexpectedly realized, gave rise to such an absorbing train of new ideas and interpretations of the data I had accumulated, that I left my window, on that memorable night, with a growing perception of the deep and powerful influence the prolonged observation of Polaris and the circumpolar constellations would naturally have exerted upon the mind of primitive man. Deeply impressed with the striking resemblance between the composite image of Polaris, Ursa Major, and certain forms of the swastika, I started on a fresh line of investigation, and devoted myself to the study of primitive astronomy and its influence upon the intellectual development of mankind in general and the American races in particular.

After having worked, during thirteen years, without any preconceived ideas about the ancient Mexican civilization and without formulating any general conclusion concerning it, I saw all the knowledge I had slowly acquired fall into rank and file and organize itself into a simple and harmonious whole.

“Realizing this I perceived how, with the origin of the swastika, I had found the origin of the set of primeval ideas which had governed the human race from its infancy and which, in Mexican and Central American civilizations, ultimately developed into their ingenious system of government and social organization.”

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/32066/32066-h/32066-h.html

Plate II. Various Forms of the Swastika

Scholars often mention in passing that Itzpapalotl has some (unspecified) connection to the day sign Ollin…

“Motion”

This may be because the standard form of the sign resembles that of a butterfly. “The butterfly was simultaneously a symbol of the soul and a sign for the concept of olin (undulant circling, rocking, oscillating or rolling movement, representing the space-time continuum, that is, the passage of time in space, marked by changes in the positions of the planets and the day-night sequences). Butterfly equaled olin because of the iconography of olin (see section on geometric designs, p. 180). It was also thus identified because of its movements.

Butterfly-olin was also a deity unit (Itzpapalotl).”
– Eva Hunt

(Ithaca: Cornell University Press, 1977) 59, 180-183.

Hummingbirds, butterflies, and bats were anomalies;

ANUBIS aka URSA MINOR

Anubis not only opens the mouth of Osiris as the mummy. He also opens the mouth of Osiris as the underworld. Osiris’s mouth symbolizes the “jaws of death”, the entrance to the underworld. In this sense Anubis is the Conductor of Souls, like the Ferryman Charon of Greek myth. Indeed, in his manifestation as Upuaut, “the Opener of the Ways”, he is the ferryman of the solar barque.

This constellation also represents Arcas, the son of the Zeus (Jupiter, Jove), and Callisto (Kallisto – Ursa Major or Arktos). The land that is called Arcadia was named after Arcas. Arcadia, or Arcady, is often described in idyllic terms; the ideal land of rustic simplicity:

Arcadia has become a poetic byword for an idyllic vision of unspoiled wilderness filled with the bounties of nature and inhabited by shepherds … Arcadia may refer to some imaginary idyllic paradise, immortalized by Virgil’s Eclogues, … Arcadia (utopia)” [2].

Arcadia, that’s older than the moon (if we believe it), takes its name from great Arcas, Callisto’s son” [Ovid Book 1, The Carmentalia 3 ].

URSA MAJOR

The Latin name Helice and its Greek cognates seems to have been the most common title for this constellation with both Greeks and Romans. Of the name Helice Allen in Star Names says that in Greece Ursa Major was referred to as Elix (with the h dropped), meaning curved, or spiral (helix), and Elike, Homer’s Elikopes, apparently first used for the constellation by Aratos (310 BC – 240 BC). Some, however, derived the name from the curved or twisted position of the chief stars; and others, still more probably, from the city HeliceKallisto’s birthplace in Arcadia [Star Names, see below] (ancientHelike a city on Gulf of Corinth lost in a tidal wave in 373 BC was rediscovered in 2001)

The Roman poet Ovid used this title, Helice, in the Fasti, where he wrote of both the Bears, in navigation. Manilius (see below) also called it Helice. The word helix and the Greek name Helice comes from Greek elix, meaning a helixform, or revolving form, from the Indo-European root *wel-3 ‘To turn, roll’. Derivatives: waltzwelter,whelk¹ (marine snail), whelkwillow (Salix), walkwell¹ (a water hole), walletwale (a weal or welt),wallowvault¹ (an arched structure), volublevolumevolutearchivoltcircumvolveconvolve,devolveevolveevolution (to unroll as one unrolled a scroll),

Recall the symbol we find associated with the Tibetan Book of the Dead.

Vajra (Devanagari) or dorje (Tibetan) is a word meaning both thunderbolt and diamond.

How many rays are emanating from each end of the double vajra/dorje?

13 x 4 = 52 rays plus the center containing the ‘solar’ swastika.

Is 52 an important number to the Aztec calendar?

In the Aztec Calendar Wheel below how many segments is each of the four arms broken into?

13 x 4 = 52 segments plus the center which contains the ‘sun’.

13 x 4 = 52

 
https://at37.wordpress.com/2012/11/08/52-aztec-calender-wheel-and-the-swastika/

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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 09/01/2016 15:52
Related to Mykah's post, focusing on the pyramid symbology and the two faces.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=166








I began to think of the celtic notions of above and below.

Think of a large tree, we only see half of the tree. We look in amazement and wonderment at the life that is harboured in its branches and the incredible atmospheric processing factory the tree is. We forget that below us is the other half of the tree, its roots providing a harbour for an entire ecosystem, and the roots are an enormous chemical processing plant.




Duir - Double-ended oak treeThis picture comes from an ancient druid grove in Derby and shows an oak tree (Duir) with its branches and roots entwined to make the circle of life. In the 90s an ancient oak tree was uncovered as the sea went very far out on the Norfolk coast. It had been buried upside-down within a circle of posts, a woodhenge. Time Team built a replica of it that was most impressive and gave you a strong sense of what the place must have been about.

The concept of burying the tree upside-down, so its branches were in the earth and its roots in the heavens has lots of esoteric symbolism.
http://elensentier.wordpress.com/201...gham-duir-oak/

Two faces of the same coin.

I think of the pyramids coming in pairs. The depiction of the Star of David on the Israeli national flag is for me an indication of a double pyramid, one facing up, the other, subterranean facing down,




The pyramids true power was not just the enormous energies it sends up into the atmosphere, image those same huge energies also being transmitted downwards, or perhaps the underside pyramid focuses the subterranean energies into the above ground pyramid?

I have often wondered what is beneath Silbury Hill, not just what is in it.

The Nile as Tree of Life:

but which is the root and which is the branch? What is up and what is down? For the Ancients, The Med was the bottom of Egypt, South was at the top. The Delta is the roots.



Black is white. Above is below. Top is down.

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Quote Originally Posted by gilgal View Post
While looking at many countries I've seen the emblem of Saint-George and the Dragon come up. What's the story behind it?


The Knight's Templar/Maltese Cross is a clue?
It is a big clue.
Did St. George actually live?
Did flying fire-breathing dragons keeping damsels in distress and captive exist?

I feel St. George is an archetype that can be understood using NUMBERS?
http://kachina2012.wordpress.com/200...d-bear-sterns/

Knights Templar and St. George?
http://kachina2012.wordpress.com/cat...hemy-and-time/



Does this image of St. George resemble the alchemy symbol known as the Rebis?
Please note the SWASTIKA in the above image in the lower left.



Can we connect the SWASTIKA to the Rebis and the Knight's Templar and secrets being veiled by the Church?
YES

by George, I might be onto something. 

namste
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St. George and the Templar Cross doing battle with the Muslims?
Those are the colors of many 'pagan' cultures that St. George is targeting.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...7&postcount=80

deeper and deeper we go down the hole recovering the truth. 

namaste
 
 
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Hi gilgal,

Obviously, St. George cannot be the Archangel, Michael, for he lived in the 3rd century. Revelation which mentioned Michael fighting with the Devil in heaven probably represents the angels of God fighting against evil; good fighting against evil, and evil was defeated and thrown onto the Earth. Michael was already in existence since Daniel's time, 2,500 years ago:

Daniel 10
12 Then he continued, "Do not be afraid, Daniel. Since the first day that you set your mind to gain understanding and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to them. 13 But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia. 14 Now I have come to explain to you what will happen to your people in the future, for the vision concerns a time yet to come."

15 While he was saying this to me, I bowed with my face toward the ground and was speechless. 16 Then one who looked like a man [b] touched my lips, and I opened my mouth and began to speak. I said to the one standing before me, "I am overcome with anguish because of the vision, my lord, and I am helpless. 17 How can I, your servant, talk with you, my lord? My strength is gone and I can hardly breathe."

18 Again the one who looked like a man touched me and gave me strength. 19 "Do not be afraid, O man highly esteemed," he said. "Peace! Be strong now; be strong." 
When he spoke to me, I was strengthened and said, "Speak, my lord, since you have given me strength."

20 So he said, "Do you know why I have come to you? Soon I will return to fight against the prince of Persia, and when I go, the prince of Greece will come; 21 but first I will tell you what is written in the Book of Truth. (No one supports me against them except Michael, your prince.


God Blessings to you.
 
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NE-CESAR-IO
 
C-SAR
 
S=CONSTELACION DE DRACO=$ = SARA (ESPOSA DE ABRAHAM)= GALATAS 4:26
DRACO=S-ARA
REPO-SAR / DESCAN-SAR / CESAR
SABIDURIA / SOPHIA / SABADO (CUARTO MANDAMIENTO- SEPTIMO DIA)
 
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NE-CESAR-IO
 
C-SAR
 
S=CONSTELACION DE DRACO=$ = SARA (ESPOSA DE ABRAHAM)= GALATAS 4:26
DRACO=S-ARA
REPO-SAR / DESCAN-SAR / CESAR
SABIDURIA / SOPHIA / SABADO (CUARTO MANDAMIENTO- SEPTIMO DIA)
 
SOPHIA (CODIGO DA VINCI)=DRACO
 
DAN BROWN = DAN (SERPIENTE / DRACO) / GENESIS 49

Draco


Map of The Constellation of Draco
Star Data
Top-Astronomer ID 3616
Bayer  
Right Ascension 19h 46m 44.7s
Declination +68° 26 18"
Magnitude 6.34
MK Spectral Class F0III
Flamsteed  
Henry Draper No. (HD) 187764
Smithsonian No. (SAO) 18530
Fifth Fundamental (FK5)  
Draco, or the Dragon, is a constellation in the northern hemisphere. It was first charted by the Greek astronomer Ptolemy in the 2nd century. In ancient Egypt, the constellation was called Tawaret, after the vigilant, protective goddess of the northern sky, whose body was depicted as part-human, part-lioness, part-crocodile and part-hippopotamus.

 
In Greek mythology, the constellation Draco was identified with the dragon Ladon, which had a hundred heads and was in charge of guarding the Garden of the Hesperides, the orchard of the goddess Hera where golden apples that gave immortality grew. When Hercules was given the task to steal the apples, he enchanted Ladon with music and put him to sleep before stealing the apples. Hera later placed the dragon among the stars.


Draco is also associated with the dragon that guarded the Golden Fleece and was killed by Jason, as well as with the dragon killed by the Phoenician prince Cadmus before he founded the city of Thebes in Boeotia in Greece. In early Christian mythology, Draco was identified with the serpent that tempted Eve in the Garden of Eden.


The constellation Draco occupies an area of 1083 square degrees and contains five stars with known planets. It can be seen at latitudes between +90° and -15° and is best visible at 9 p.m. during the month of July. For many observers in the northern hemisphere, Draco never sets below the horizon.

The brightest star in the constellation is [3438] gamma Draconis or Eltanin ("the serpent"), an orange giant 148 light-years distant. It lies close to the point directly over London and is sometimes called the "zenith star."

[3445] alpha Draconis or Thuban ("the basilisk") is not a very conspicuous star in comparison. It is a binary star consisting of a white giant with an apparent magnitude of 3.65, more than 300 light-years away from Earth, and a companion that is believed to be either a red or white dwarf. In ancient times, between the years 3942 and 1793, Thuban was the pole star, the closest visible star to the North Pole. It will reclaim that status in the year 20346.

 
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De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 06/04/2016 14:12

Apocalipsis 12

1. Apareció en el cielo una gran señal: una mujer vestida del sol, con la luna debajo de sus pies, y sobre su cabeza una corona de doce estrellas.
2. Y estando encinta, clamaba con dolores de parto, en la angustia del alumbramiento. (EL MUNDO MATERIALISTA QUE IDOLATRA AL DINERO, NO LOGRA DISCERNIR EL VERDADERO EVANGELIO DE CRISTO. EL DOLAR TIENE FUERTE RELACION CON EL GRIAL)
3. También apareció otra señal en el cielo: he aquí un gran dragón escarlata, que tenía siete cabezas y diez cuernos, y en sus cabezas siete diademas;
4. y su cola arrastraba la tercera parte de las estrellas del cielo, y las arrojó sobre la tierra. Y el dragón se paró frente a la mujer que estaba para dar a luz, a fin de devorar a su hijo tan pronto como naciese.
5. Y ella dio a luz un hijo varón, que regirá con vara de hierro a todas las naciones; y su hijo fue arrebatado para Dios y para su trono.
6. Y la mujer huyó al desierto, donde tiene lugar preparado por Dios, para que allí la sustenten por mil doscientos sesenta días.
7. Después hubo una gran batalla en el cielo: Miguel y sus ángeles luchaban contra el dragón; y luchaban el dragón y sus ángeles; (MIGUEL= SAN JORGE= APOLO= HERCULES= OSIRIS) AQUI ESTA EL SECRETO DETRAS DE GEORGE WASHINGTON EN EL BILLETE DE UN DOLAR-TODO ES UNA REFERENCIA A LA ISLA SAN GIORGIO EN VENECIA)
8. pero no prevalecieron, ni se halló ya lugar para ellos en el cielo.
9. Y fue lanzado fuera el gran dragón, la serpiente antigua, que se llama diablo y Satanás, el cual engaña al mundo entero; fue arrojado a la tierra, y sus ángeles fueron arrojados con él.
10. Entonces oí una gran voz en el cielo, que decía: Ahora ha venido la salvación, el poder, y el reino de nuestro Dios, y la autoridad de su Cristo; porque ha sido lanzado fuera el acusador de nuestros hermanos, el que los acusaba delante de nuestro Dios día y noche.
11. Y ellos le han vencido por medio de la sangre del Cordero y de la palabra del testimonio de ellos, y menospreciaron sus vidas hasta la muerte.
12. Por lo cual alegraos, cielos, y los que moráis en ellos. ¡Ay de los moradores de la tierra y del mar! porque el diablo ha descendido a vosotros con gran ira, sabiendo que tiene poco tiempo.
13. Y cuando vio el dragón que había sido arrojado a la tierra, persiguió a la mujer que había dado a luz al hijo varón.
14. Y se le dieron a la mujer las dos alas de la gran águila, para que volase de delante de la serpiente al desierto, a su lugar, donde es sustentada por un tiempo, y tiempos, y la mitad de un tiempo.
 
 
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LETRA G="ESCUADRA Y COMPAS MASONICO"=SAN JORGE / GIORGIO /GEORGE (VENECIA)
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CABALLEROS TEMPLARIOS, LA CRUZ ROJA (SAN JORGE), ALQUIMIA Y EL TIEMPO
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432+234=666 (23/4=DIA DE SAN JORGE /GEORGE/GIORGIO)-CLAVE UNIVERSAL
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SAN JORGE, EN UN CONTEXTO ESOTERICO, ES EL MISMO ARCANGEL MIGUEL
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SAN MIGUEL DE TUCUMAN, CAPITAL ESOTERICA MUNDIAL
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MIQUEAS=MIGUEL=SAN JORGE / GIORGIO / GEORGE - LIBRO 33 DE LA TORA
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ULTRASECRETO TEMPLARIO=SAN JORGE=VENECIA=SAN MARCOS
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JORGE / GEORGE / GIORGIO BERGOGLIO-CLAVE PARA ENTENDER LA "MAQUINA DEL TIEMPO"
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APOCALIPSIS 12:7-ARCANGEL MIGUEL TIENE ANGELES- ¿ES YHWH POR ESO?
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APOCALIPSIS 12-ARCANGEL MIGUEL-ASTROTEOLOGIA
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CRUZ ROJA INTERNACIONAL (REFERENCIA ESOTERICA A SAN JORGE / VENECIA / MARCOS)
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EXPERIMENTO DE MICHELSON (HIJO DE MIGUEL /APOCALIPSIS 12)
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¿HAY RELACION ESPIRITUAL ENTRE ORION Y EL ARCANGEL MIGUEL?
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ARCANGEL MIGUEL
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SAN JORGE (SANTO DE LA IGLESIA LIBANESA)
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"PIRAMIDE DE KEOPS CONMEMORA EL DILUVIO UNIVERSAL"-ARQ. MIGUEL PEREZ SANCHEZ
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CLUB SOCIAL Y DEPORTIVO SAN JORGE (TUCUMAN)
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MIQUEAS 5:2 FALACIA DE LOS TRINITARIOS
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